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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Is the committee content to delegate authority to me to sign off a report on our deliberations on this affirmative SSI?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

We now move to consideration of a negative SSI and, once again, I welcome Lorna Slater, the Minister for Green Skills, Circular Economy and Biodiversity, and her officials.

I ask Lorna Slater to make an opening statement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I have a question that follows on from that. The use of light-intensifying sights, heat-sensitive sights or other special sights is quite different from lamping. So, although I am not an expert, I suggest that the skill level that is required to ensure a clean kill is significantly higher with the newer methods. However, it appears that the legislation will allow people to use the new methods without there being a separate authorisation scheme. Are there plans to bring in additional training requirements or update the best practice guide?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Will it update the level of competence that is required in order for someone to be authorised to engage in night shooting if that person is using night sights rather than going lamping? There is quite a difference in the skill level that is required.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I am still concerned about the fact that there is only one authorisation scheme. Can you give us an indication of how many stalkers are currently authorised to lamp—to shoot at night?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

How can NatureScot be assured that the stalker has the appropriate training if the authorisation is not for individuals? I am concerned about the lowest common denominator here. If there is only one authorisation scheme, someone who is authorised to shoot at night—to lamp—would automatically be able to shoot using night sights. As we have already suggested—and I think we have agreed—that requires a different level of skill, given the margins of error that infrared or heat-sensitive sights have. If someone was at the standard to be able to lamp, they would automatically get authorisation to use night sights—is that correct?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I was just reminding you that we have plenty of time, so there is no need to interrupt the minister when she is giving a response. I want to make sure that we carry out our debate with the highest level of respect. So, if the minister is responding, I request that you do not interact until she has finished her answer. You will have plenty of time during the debate phase, and later in the agenda, to raise all the points that you need to raise.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I have a couple of questions about the deer cull. How many authorisations for out-of-season culling are sought but rejected? Have authorisations been rejected? If so, on what basis are they rejected?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I have an issue to raise before I move on to other members. You mentioned tree growth. There was a 28 per cent increase in bracken biomass while Asulox was licensed for use. The situation would appear to be out of control. I take on board your point that we are talking about only 2 per cent of bracken, but we have removed one of the tools to tackle it. We cannot plant trees where there is bracken that needs to be controlled; doing that will not work. Is it not a chicken-and-egg situation? If you cannot plant the trees, how will they stop the growth of bracken? I am a bit confused.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Bracken Control

Meeting date: 13 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I am still a bit confused. This is probably one of the reasons why there was a bit of confusion when we looked at the issue prior to the summer recess. The UK Expert Committee on Pesticides looks at chemicals, and the HSE looks at that evidence to make a decision. In making its decision, the HSE considers whether the benefits outweigh the potential harm. I get that—that is one of the critical factors.

The ECP said that it would not recommend granting emergency authorisation. Much of that was due to the fact that the applicants had not provided any more information, which is one of the technical obligations for getting an emergency authorisation. It is not an emergency if nothing changes; it is an on-going issue. The ECP based its advice on the fact that, technically, nothing had changed and therefore the situation could not be considered to be an emergency.