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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 14 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

I have a question on science, technology and innovation. We now have technology that uses artificial intelligence to identify different fish stocks when they are brought on to boats. That is a fantastic opportunity for accurate monitoring of the populations of cod, herring or whatever in our seas, but some fishing fleets are reluctant to have that technology on board because of the discard ban. Currently, it is almost certain that some species of fish will be landed that are not the target species, and those fish are not able to be discarded, so there could be implications in terms of fines or quotas.

Is there any potential for a moratorium on that so that we get a real sense of what our fishermen are catching and what the implications are for stock calculations? An investment from the Scottish Government in that type of technology might go a long way towards baselining what is actually in our seas and where it is.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Pre-Budget Scrutiny 2024-25

Meeting date: 27 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Okay—that brings us to the end of our session. I very much appreciate your giving us a bit more of your time, cabinet secretary—the session has been most helpful.

That concludes our business in public and we move into private session.

10:43 Meeting continued in private until 12:28.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

We move on to part 2, on the registration of unlicensed litters.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Who would like to come in? Holly Conway, perhaps, from the Kennel Club.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Before I bring anybody else in, I want to look at the purpose of the legislation. The policy memorandum suggests that legislation is necessary due to an increase in the dog population, which, as you have said, Covid fuelled. However, there is legislation already: you have said that you have seized puppies and intervened using legislation that is currently in place. What does this bill do that current legislation does not allow you to do?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Holly Conway has indicated that she would like to come in—I see her hand. I beg your pardon, Holly.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

We have heard about all that the bill could do, but there is no legislation to back up most of it. There will always be people who want to do the right thing and do not need legislation to make them do that. My concern is that what we have in front of us might create artificial legitimacy. People who have no intention of sticking to the guidelines might have documents and a nice piece of paper to say that they are a verified breeder, a bit like someone who goes to a fake university to get a diploma, which we know has happened in the past. That would give buyers misplaced confidence that the person they are buying the puppy from is legitimate, without there being any safeguards.

The bill could create an even more worrying situation in which bad breeders have some sort of legitimacy, because there will be no enforcement, checking or proper regulation. It seems to me that that could make things worse and that we should be looking at a straightforward national registration scheme in which all puppies would have tags so that, when a tag is scanned, the enforcement agencies—whether that is a local authority or the SSPCA—can see who the breeder was and can follow up any issues. That is my view. The bill has the potential to make things worse, because there would be no policing of the requirements.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you for your time this morning—it has been hugely useful.

That concludes the public part of our meeting.

10:33 Meeting continued in private until 12:21.  

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

Since members have no further questions, would any of our witnesses like to make a comment?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Welfare of Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 20 September 2023

Finlay Carson

The people who are likely to have a certificate are those who are already aware and who want to do the right thing, so it does not address the issue. If you want to sell puppies out of the back of a car, the certificate makes no difference—it is a valueless piece of paper. It is just an extra hoop for people to jump through and I do not know how it will incentivise those who are not minded to follow the code.

You touched on chipping, which is a legal obligation. Do we have any idea how many people chip their dogs and how many do not? Is that policed in any way? Does the SSPCA carry out random chip checks? That is already in legislation. It is also a physical thing—you can tell whether a dog has a chip—but the stuff that we are looking at now is not like that. For example, how can you check that someone has seen the bitch? How can you ensure that someone is conscious of the cost of keeping a dog? It is all very intangible, whereas chipping is a tangible thing. Do we have any idea whether people are abiding by that, given that there is no national database?