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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 8 February 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

My feeling is that we have an agriculture bill that was passed last year and it is yet to be really implemented.

The Scottish Government’s flagship policy in that was to retain basic payments at 70 per cent. This year, however, that has been cut in real terms, so there is no additional support whatsoever for climate change or a just transition. The figure of 70 per cent of the total agriculture budget has dropped, and the support is not targeted. It would appear that, going forward, there will be a lot more stick than there will be carrot to encourage farmers to do the right things, which is concerning. The rural support plan will have to pull the rabbit out of the bag to allow the industry to deliver what the Government thinks is the primary driver for achieving our climate targets.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

You are arguing that we should be looking at the high production quality, the high animal welfare standards and the high food value of meat products produced in Scotland compared to those that might be produced in the countries that we will ultimately end up importing more from to meet demand. The fact is that demand for meat has not flatlined; it is declining, but not at the rate at which the CCC suggests that we should be reducing livestock production in Scotland.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

The next question comes from Tim Eagle.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Who would like to kick off on that? Lorna?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

When you reduce fertiliser input, there is almost inevitably a reduction in output over the initial period. Over five or 10 years, in a lot of circumstances, the production will come back, due to improved soil health, but, in the short term, there will be a drop-off in output, which means a drop-off in income and profits. Given that we have a flat-line budget and that there has been a budget cut in real terms, is it achievable to expect farmers to reduce fertiliser without any support with the hit to their outputs in the short term?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

But they are not there at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

We have to agree this plan a couple of weeks from today. Are the policies that are currently in place fit for purpose to grow hedgerows by 19 per cent or to see 2,600 hectares of agroforestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will continue our scrutiny of the draft climate change plan by hearing from a panel of academics and representatives from non-governmental organisations. I welcome in person Dr Vera Eory, a climate change researcher from Scotland’s Rural College, and Claire Daly, who is head of policy and advocacy at WWF. Joining us remotely are David McKay, who is the vice-convener of Scottish Environment LINK’s food and farming group, and Professor Dave Reay, who is the chair of carbon management education at the University of Edinburgh.

Before we move to questions, I remind members and witnesses that we have until about 12:15 or 12:30, so try to keep questions and answers as succinct as possible. You will not have to operate your microphones—a sound engineer will do that for you.

I will kick off. With our earlier witnesses, we were trying to find out whether the proposed plan is credible and whether it could be delivered, so I will ask you the same sort of question. How credible is the Scottish Government’s proposed emissions pathway for agriculture? Will it meet future carbon budgets? If you do not believe so, is anything missing from the plan that you would have expected to see in it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Is one of the reasons why we have not seen the Government’s workings the fact that it is reluctant at this stage to make unpopular decisions? Emma Patterson Taylor from SAOS, who was on the previous panel, picked that up. It would appear that there is a lack of pragmatism and honesty around this. We have seen recommendations about livestock reductions, and many people find that unpalatable. Do you think that the draft plan is not bold enough because the Government does not want to make what could be unpopular decisions at this stage in the electoral cycle?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Alasdair, do you want to ask your supplementary and then move on to your substantive question?