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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 September 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Committee members want to scrutinise the bill as much as possible, but we are limited because most of the detail will come in secondary legislation. What are the timescales for that secondary legislation? What role should the Parliament have in scrutinising it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Some people would suggest that those instruments are coming a bit late and that a lot of people are still waiting. There is still a lot of uncertainty. There will be a long wait until 2025 to get clarity on the future direction of travel.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Before we move on to the next theme, I will make a point about the framework bill that we have been discussing. From your responses to questions on the four objectives, it appears that the bill has boundless scope—there are no limits to it—which I suggest would lead to complete lack of certainty about what it could deliver.

The Scottish Government has known since 2016 that we would have to have a replacement for the common agricultural policy. The transition period finished in 2020. The framework bill could therefore have been in place three years ago, but you say that we are introducing it only now so that you have time to develop secondary legislation to deliver on the policies. From what the committee understands, the industry finds that to be completely unacceptable. Why do we have a bill that will not put any meat on the bones until 2025, when that could have been done earlier? Is there any limit to the scope of the bill?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I know what you are saying, but in some countries—France, for example—if you produce 50 acres of carrots, whoever buys that 50 acres also has to take responsibility for the 20 per cent of the crop that might be considered not to be high quality. However, there is nothing in the bill that would address that.

You are talking about high-quality produce. One of the issues in the supply chain is that when a farmer has, for example, 50 acres of carrots of which only 60 per cent can be considered to be high quality, supermarkets and retailers will take only the high-quality product. There is nothing in the bill that would help to level that out. In other countries, there are regulations about responsibility for production—not just production of the high-quality food. That situation is often a barrier to farmers getting the right price—a sustainable and reliable price—but nothing in the bill would address that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I will revert back to questions on the objectives. What are your aspirations for on-farm nature restoration, climate mitigation and adaptation?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

How do you expect the bill to deal with the varying levels of biodiversity on farms? For example, we visited Galloway to look at dairy farms, where we saw, within three or four miles of each other, very different approaches—one that one would suggest was intensive sustainable agriculture and one that was extensive. How will you set targets or policies to ensure that some of our most productive farms, which might not have the greatest levels of biodiversity, start on a level playing field? How do you support intensive practices that can deliver climate change benefits, as opposed to those that are extensive? How will the bill deal with the difference in farming practices?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Thank you.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

Will secondary legislation set out the national targets or aspirations, or is it likely that that will be done on an individual farm basis—or, indeed, a landscape basis—to pick up the packages that you have talked about? One size does not fit all, but how granular does this get? Does it go down to individual enterprises?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

I call Ariane Burgess.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 29 November 2023

Finlay Carson

When was that commitment given?