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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the 17th meeting in 2025 of the Rural Affairs and Islands Committee. Before we begin, I ask everybody to ensure that their electronic devices are switched to silent.

I welcome Mercedes Villalba, who will join us for item 2.

The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take in private item 6, which is consideration of our draft annual report. Are we content to do so?

Members indicated agreement.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is that not a bit risky? We are going through the bill process, so we will have an act in six months or thereabouts. Has there been any indication as to the process for co-design and co-production, which we will no doubt have to make decisions on as part of secondary legislation in relation to targets and how we achieve those?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

From your perspective, therefore, one of the main benefits of the bill is that it will give some certainty about the direction of travel that the Government will want to take, and that will allow investment in the future.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Our next question is on target alignment. I beg your pardon—Beatrice Wishart indicated that she might want to ask a supplementary question.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

On that point, surely you need to pitch in at some point. You cannot just keep saying that you are waiting for this or that. The NFUS said in its evidence that the timescales should align with the 2030 and 2045 targets, as well as with the five-year rural support plan. We have not even seen the rural support plan. Do we wait until we have the biodiversity targets before we publish the rural support plan, or do we wait until we decide the response on climate change?

When do we pitch in to get started? It is a moveable feast. We will never get to the stage where everything aligns and we can have a piece of legislation, as Stephen Young said, that is a thread that runs through everything. At what point do we need the Government to say what the targets are?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Again, I come to Elspeth Macdonald, because we already have issues with stock assessments and the capacity of the marine directorate to bring forward marine plans. Does the SFF have such a concern?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

To close off our discussion on part 2, I have a very simple point. In previous evidence sessions, we have heard concerns that there are no overriding or overarching environmental safeguards or limitations, that there is no non-regression provision and that there appear to be few safeguards around the overarching power that the bill would deliver. Is part 2 needed at all? Should we scrap it altogether, or does it need to be hugely amended to put safeguards in place? I hope that we can have brief responses on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Is there a general understanding of what the targets will be and how they will affect businesses in a practical sense? It is all very well ministers setting statutory targets, but how will that translate in practice? You say that there is lots of talk going on, but we understand that that is not the case in some sectors. We are in a crisis, so how long will it take to see how the targets will affect the work of businesses day to day? For example, there could be changes to UK forestry standards and how national parks deal with forestry. How long will it take for us to see secondary legislation with actual targets and information on how to deliver those targets?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

There is a plethora of dog legislation. We have had some from our committee member, Emma Harper. In addition, Christine Grahame has a bill going through Parliament and an act in place. Those measures are or were members’ bills. Should we look to the Government to introduce a consolidation bill and to consider all those individual pieces of legislation and get a more holistic view of how dog behaviour or theft can be addressed in one act?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Dog Theft (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 21 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will try to go back to Emma Roddick. I do not know whether it is just the camera that is frozen.

Emma, can you hear us? Can you come in and ask your question?