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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 5 July 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Katherine Leys, it might be one for you, given your experience of national parks and the role that you play.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

That is quite damning. You have suggested that you do the work but, in effect, the reports then gather dust on a shelf somewhere and there is no change in direction or guidance on how you might change your current management practices.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Dumfries and Galloway, in particular, has one of the most intensive commercial forestry areas in the whole United Kingdom. Indeed, it is probably one of the biggest areas that Scottish Forestry manages, with extensive commercial woodlands. Are you concerned about the potential for the minister to designate Galloway as a national park? Would that cause you issues with your current plans for commercial forestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Before we move on, I have a question that is still on public bodies’ role in meeting targets. In 2018, the Public Audit and Post-legislative Scrutiny Committee conducted an inquiry into compliance with the biodiversity and biodiversity reporting duties on public bodies. The committee suggested that there was a low level of compliance with the reporting duty, and that was closely linked with a lack of compliance with the biodiversity duty as well. The evidence suggested that there was a lack of awareness of what actions public bodies could and should be taking to comply with the biodiversity duty. Is that still the situation? I suppose that that is a question for NatureScot. Is this still an issue, and is it something that we need to seriously address going forward, or are we at a stage, now, where that information is being provided to public bodies to ensure that they understand their obligations?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

To wrap this up, biodiversity data will be key to the bill’s effectiveness—it will be the fundamental basis for measuring everything. Will organisations and public bodies such as yours look at full cost recovery for the work to collect biodiversity data? For example, when Crown Estate Scotland leases the sea bed for fish farms or offshore wind, will it look at licensing that covers the costs of gathering the biodiversity data as base data and improving that over the time of a project? The same question goes for Scottish Forestry or the commercial side of forestry. Should that cost be passed on? If not, how else will such work be funded? It is obvious that there will not be the capacity financially or in resources generally to deliver the biodiversity data that will be needed.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We have also heard that the keeping pace powers cover most of the concerns that you raised in your first response to Rhoda Grant. Is that not the case? Do you want to consider that, along with Rhoda’s question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

Okay.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We move on to questions from Mark Ruskell.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

In that scenario, might you, as the environmental watchdog, have more work to do in ensuring that some of the situations that Elena Whitham referred to are covered and that you have the flexibility and the capacity to pick up and explore the issues and hold the Government to account in certain areas in a way that that does not happen at the moment? Is it important for the financial memorandum to appreciate that you have that role, too?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Natural Environment (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 28 May 2025

Finlay Carson

We will move on to part 2, which is on EIA legislation and the habitats regulations. We will start with questions from Rhoda Grant.