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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 25 January 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

But they are not there at the moment.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

We have to agree this plan a couple of weeks from today. Are the policies that are currently in place fit for purpose to grow hedgerows by 19 per cent or to see 2,600 hectares of agroforestry?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Welcome back. We will continue our scrutiny of the draft climate change plan by hearing from a panel of academics and representatives from non-governmental organisations. I welcome in person Dr Vera Eory, a climate change researcher from Scotland’s Rural College, and Claire Daly, who is head of policy and advocacy at WWF. Joining us remotely are David McKay, who is the vice-convener of Scottish Environment LINK’s food and farming group, and Professor Dave Reay, who is the chair of carbon management education at the University of Edinburgh.

Before we move to questions, I remind members and witnesses that we have until about 12:15 or 12:30, so try to keep questions and answers as succinct as possible. You will not have to operate your microphones—a sound engineer will do that for you.

I will kick off. With our earlier witnesses, we were trying to find out whether the proposed plan is credible and whether it could be delivered, so I will ask you the same sort of question. How credible is the Scottish Government’s proposed emissions pathway for agriculture? Will it meet future carbon budgets? If you do not believe so, is anything missing from the plan that you would have expected to see in it?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Is one of the reasons why we have not seen the Government’s workings the fact that it is reluctant at this stage to make unpopular decisions? Emma Patterson Taylor from SAOS, who was on the previous panel, picked that up. It would appear that there is a lack of pragmatism and honesty around this. We have seen recommendations about livestock reductions, and many people find that unpalatable. Do you think that the draft plan is not bold enough because the Government does not want to make what could be unpopular decisions at this stage in the electoral cycle?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Alasdair, do you want to ask your supplementary and then move on to your substantive question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Thank you. Do you have any comments, Claire?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

We have a few supplementary questions. I do not know who is best set to answer this, but if we do not have a reduction in the demand for meat products that aligns with a reduction in livestock numbers, are we not at risk of seeing a net increase in emissions? The supply chain uses cargo ships and air freight to bring meat products in from other parts of the world, with a far higher carbon footprint not just in shipping them but in their production, compared with what we have in Scotland. How do we address that?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Emma Roddick will ask the next questions.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

Okay. Ariane, do you want to move on to your next question?

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Draft Climate Change Plan

Meeting date: 14 January 2026

Finlay Carson

I am conscious of the fact that we are rapidly running out of time and we still have a number of questions to ask, so I ask people to be succinct in their questions and answers.

Emma Harper has a supplementary.