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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Last week, mention was made of the need to reapply for a licence time after time, particularly during a vulnerable season, such as lambing, but licences for preservation, protection or restoration could be valid for up to two years, because they have the positive consequence of benefiting the land by increasing the biodiversity of species.

Earlier, you mentioned the issue of topography and the difficulty of controlling predators in dense woodland or whatever. From your experience of working with farmers, do you think that the process will be bureaucratic and not very time efficient for them, as they will have to continually apply for licences? Do you think that there should be an option to have a general licence rather than a 14-day licence?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

We heard evidence that licensing will vary by situation. The Scottish Government cited a stoat eradication project in Orkney, and there are also measures to increase numbers of capercaillie through control of foxes and pine martens. NatureScot is well aware of the facts and is able to be the body that issues the licences. Do you have an opinion on the evidence that we have heard so far on ensuring that the licensing scheme is as practical and workable as possible?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

On Mr Marsland’s point about the police not having enough resources, should that issue be addressed by the Government? Moreover, what is a field investigator?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I will ask the question in a different way. What made you come to that conclusion in your review of the 2002 act?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

The subject is quite complicated, is it not? I am wondering why the frequency rate for checks has been set at 30 per cent rather than at one of the standardised rates, which were 3, 5, 10, 50 and 100 per cent. In addition, can you give some examples of any woody plants that are prohibited from coming into the country and are subject to these checks that may affect agriculture?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Thank you. Can I ask the same question of Dr Goddard?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

Okay. I will bring in Mr Marsland. First, I will expand the question to incorporate the fact that the licence is almost broken down into two parts: predator control and environmental benefit, which includes ensuring that we increase biodiversity and numbers in wading bird species. We have heard loads of evidence about how the RSPB, for example, controls predators—hundreds of foxes per annum—in order to do that. What are your views on licensing and how it could be practical and workable?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

What do your field investigators do? Do they follow all types of predation control in Scotland, including foot packs and so on?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

I asked the question because we are hearing evidence from all sorts of people who are going to be affected by the bill, and we heard last week about some of its possible unintended consequences. It might be useful to look at that evidence if you have time, because it was interesting.

I will press you on a specific area. You say in your report that, if there are fewer than two dogs when flushing, that

“could seriously compromise effective pest control”

in the countryside. How might that observation, which you made in your review of the 2002 act, have a bearing on or lend weight to the argument about the two-dog limit in the bill?

Rural Affairs, Islands and Natural Environment Committee

Hunting with Dogs (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Rachael Hamilton

It is good for the committee to understand the difference between various methods of control with dogs. Are you saying that, from a scientific or evidence-based stance, you still agree with what you concluded about the compromising of effective pest control? At last week’s meeting, Ian Duncan Millar spoke about his experience of foot packs. I cannot remember how many dogs he said that he used, but it might have been 30.