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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 15 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Colleges Regionalisation Inquiry

Meeting date: 15 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

Heather Innes touched on the consistency of investment across smaller campuses. I am interested in whether there is a uniform position or whether smaller campuses tend to miss out.

A second issue is whether staff are always there on smaller campuses. It is not just about students being on campus. With the move towards more digital delivery, I have had feedback that teaching staff are often not present on smaller campuses, or they are beamed in from other sites. Have you experienced that?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Benefits of Independence

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

I start by reminding members that I did not come third.

How can the Government give us a preferred date for a referendum, but not a date for closing the education attainment gap? What does the cabinet secretary think that that says about the Government’s priorities?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Topical Question Time

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

The Education, Children and Young People Committee heard that pupil equity funding is being used to plug gaps in the budget—little did we realise that that meant the policing budget, too. Will the cabinet secretary take this opportunity to say that that practice is wrong? It might be, in her view, a small amount of money, but every penny that goes into education should be focused on teaching and learning. Can she not even agree with that?

Meeting of the Parliament (Hybrid)

Education Reform Update

Meeting date: 14 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

This is not education reform; it is more of the same with a different name. While standards continue to slip and our young people are let down, this Government does not do very much at all. Professor Walter Humes sums it up as

“boards ... populated by the usual suspects”,

including senior staff

“from the bodies which are to be replaced.”

He says:

“It sounds like insider dealing, with those who are part of the problem being tasked with producing solutions.”

He is right, is he not? The cabinet secretary and the First Minister are part of the problem, are they not?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

If the Deputy First Minister agrees with me, and he thinks that that is the action that his Government should have taken, or that a future Government should take, surely he would want that protection in the bill to make sure that the debate is had properly at the time, and that the right to education is prioritised above other aspects of society.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

There is nothing in amendment 118 that would prevent the Government from acting. It would introduce a duty to seek and have regard to a report. It does not mean that the Government would have to stop if such a report was not forthcoming. The amendment is not designed as a delaying mechanism and I envisage that the report would likely follow action having been taken. It is not worded to be restrictive. I have been clear in drafting the amendment that that was what I sought to achieve. Does the Deputy First Minister accept that the report would be reasonable in principle provided that it did not delay ministers?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

I accept the drafting issues. However, on the principle of school-based education being provided by local authorities in line with their statutory duties, what role do you see local authorities having? You said that the amendment would give them a veto, but you are effectively giving yourself the power through the bill to prevent them from carrying out their responsibilities. Do you accept that there must be a balance?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

That is not really the point. You are taking away local authorities’ power to choose to keep a school open. You are removing their say in that and therefore preventing them from fulfilling their statutory duty, albeit possibly on good grounds. Is it not right to give them, rather than a veto, a greater say or role in reaching that decision in their locality with the young people and schools that they know best?

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

Given that you support that principle, do you recognise the value of putting it into the bill, maybe through a more tightly worded amendment, so that the position is a bit clearer and reassures the people who have to do the more difficult bit? I know that it is difficult to make the big decision, but it is more difficult to carry it out on the ground.

COVID-19 Recovery Committee

Coronavirus (Recovery and Reform) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 9 June 2022

Oliver Mundell

I intend to press amendment 112 and move all the amendments in my name. Even when there is an offer to work on matters later, I always think that if those matters are in the bill at the end of stage 2, it is easier to secure concessions at stage 3. The cabinet secretary said several times that some of the things that I am seeking could be done through regulation; we also heard about the Scottish Government’s preferred approach. Time and again, it comes back to the John Mason principle: the current Government might not be here, and it might be better to have things in the bill, to ensure that they are done for certain. If there are drafting issues, there is always a chance to fix them; that is how the process works.