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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 1 January 2026
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Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

We would be saying to the Redress Scotland panel exactly what Parliament, the previous Deputy First Minister and several individual MSPs said repeatedly throughout the bill process—that, if those people come forward, their testimony will be believed. It will be taken as fact. We would be saying that there is provision for exceptional circumstances and that, if the testimony and evidence from those thousands of people is joined together, we can start to build a pretty accurate picture.

Some of the people involved have spoken to medical professionals and other people over the years. These concerns existed before the redress scheme came into being. People did not just appear and join survivor groups—they did not just appear and interact with services across the country when they thought redress was on offer. There are historical records. They might not be as good as the official records but, frankly, it is not the people’s fault that the organisations did not keep good records and destroyed those that they had.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

Continued Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

If you block people from even getting past “Go”, they do not get to the case-by-case decision. That is what is happening at the moment. The guidance and the things that you are saying are stopping people from getting to the case-by-case decision.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

I should say that I know David’s family well and it is lovely to see them in the public gallery. I have the utmost admiration for Sharon, his mother, who in very difficult circumstances has sought to see what she can do to help other families.

I have seen the SPICe briefing but, for me, it comes back to a point that Mr Ewing made on a previous petition: what if Sharon Duncan, the wider Hill family and some of the organisations that they are working with are right, and the National Screening Committee is wrong? Certainly, if it were my child, I would want to know that that question had been exhausted.

I would be keen for the committee to write to organisations with a relevant interest—Cardiac Risk in the Young, Save a Life for Scotland, the British Heart Foundation, St John Scotland and Chest Heart and Stroke Scotland—to seek their views and expertise on what is called for in the petition, and to find out about any work that they may be undertaking on conditions affecting sudden cardiac death.

I would also be keen for the committee to write to the UK National Screening Committee to ask when it expects to review the evidence for screening for sudden cardiac death, and to write to the network for inherited cardiac conditions seeking further details and an update on its sudden cardiac death project.

In addition, I would be keen to go back to the Scottish Government. It has provided quite a helpful response on the petition, but I would be keen to interrogate further its role in informing the National Screening Committee’s work. It is one thing to ask questions and make representations, but I do not know how much more it can do.

Certainly, David Hill’s family and Sharon Duncan, his mother, are not in a unique position. There are families like them in every part of Scotland, as we have seen through activities that have been undertaken in Parliament since David’s death. The least that those people deserve is for us to try to understand how the process works and be absolutely sure that all the evidence has been taken into consideration.

Citizen Participation and Public Petitions Committee

New Petitions

Meeting date: 20 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

I would not dare disagree with it.

Members indicated agreement.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

You are acknowledging that there is quite a long delay. I will push you on the timescale, so that we have a reference point for getting back to you. I am not asking for an exact date.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

That is really clear and helpful. We will enjoy seeing the minister back here next March so that we can ask him about that.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

They look at those documents and sign them off before they introduce the bill, do they not?

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

Therefore, in the future, would you make a more conscious effort, where previously you might have been silent, to say where you are happy with things, so that the committee knows that it does not need to look at those things? At the moment, your stuff tends to provide a commentary on the things that you are most concerned about but says nothing about the other bits, and then the committee has to make a—

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

Thank you.

Delegated Powers and Law Reform Committee

Minister for Parliamentary Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Oliver Mundell

It is not political. I do not think that framework bills are good in any Parliament. There are times when they can be used, but there has to be enough information included in the bill for parliamentarians and the public to know what their national Parliament is passing before people cast their vote, instead of us just saying that the rest will come later, once the bill has passed. I do not think that that is a good way to work.