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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 17 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Our impact: Monitoring and evaluation report 2025”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Greene

Do you think that Audit Scotland gives enough cognisance to some of the factors that may explain why audited bodies have been unable to implement recommendations? There are a number of external factors. Your recommendations talk a lot about financial sustainability and workforce issues, but there is also a wider regulatory and legislative environment that these bodies are working in, which is outside of their control. Do you think that your focus is too much on whether a body did or did not deliver on the recommendations and does not acknowledge that, even if they wanted to deliver on them, it might be impossible for them to do so?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Greene

In your experience, is it okay for an organisation to say that it is spending more money than it has? That is just being honest, is it not?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Section 22 Report: “The 2023/24 audit of UHI Perth”

Meeting date: 8 October 2025

Jamie Greene

My understanding is that the root factors of the deficit stemmed from three particular areas. The first related to negotiating pay settlements as part of national bargaining, which obviously had a knock-on effect locally. Secondly, there were issues relating to the Air Service Training scheme, which I will ask about separately, because that was another interesting development.

The third reason for the deficit was a drop in student numbers—the difference between the projected number of full-time equivalent students and the actual number of students who took up courses. While you were speaking, I had a look at the college’s course brochure. One could do a wide and varied range of courses, covering further education and higher education. Was there any feedback on why the number of actual students was so much lower than the number that had been forecasted?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

I can tell you: it was the points. These are live conversations, which I am sure happen with sponsorship divisions as well, among the recruiting people. If someone does not get more than 70 points, and someone got 69, they are shortlisted for the next stage, and I find that an odd way of doing it.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

Would it be helpful if the commissioner was able to do that as part of its role?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

Is that people behaving inappropriately in the public sphere in their language or the treatment of staff?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That is quite worrying. My last question in this session—and indeed the next one—is on NHS boards. Do you have any current emerging concerns about behaviour in boards or the quality of board members? We are trying to get as much out of you as we can about the state of the NHS in Scotland.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

Thank you, convener. I would like to talk about governance, particularly around high-level appointments and the boards of the NHS boards, if you like. Ms Lamb, you will obviously be aware of the extremely high turnover in chief executives of the territorial boards. Over the past couple of years, 10 of the 14 territorial boards have had a change at the top. Why is that the case?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

Is that a good thing? We talked about that earlier in our evidence session with the Ethical Standards Commissioner. I do not know whether you watched that.

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Jamie Greene

That is very helpful. You mentioned that the high level of turnover among NHS chief executives is due in large part to retirement. If I understood you correctly, in the past two years, eight of the 14 NHS board chief executives have left due to retirement. Is that just unfortunate coincidence or is it spectacularly bad planning?