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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 15 November 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand. Thank you. The key point, it feels to me—I appreciate that we will go to debate in a minute—is that the fines raised do not come back to the DRS specifically, perhaps to help that scheme or to help producers or whatever.

Who is the arbiter of whether a breach of the order merits a criminal prosecution or requires a civil prosecution? “Prosecution” is the wrong word, but you know what I mean. Will SEPA be the arbiter of that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Will the minister take an intervention?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I agree with you: it is unhelpful or unfortunate, perhaps, that we have both of these orders together. This is the intervention that I was going to put to Jackie Dunbar: how do you deal with the convener’s point about SEPA and resourcing and becoming judge and jury? What is your response to the convener’s challenge?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I will briefly follow up on that question. David Hibbert talked about unbundling and tendering. Do you have any thoughts on the structure of how we procure and deliver ferry services in Scotland, particularly in your jurisdiction? Do you have any views on the Transport Scotland-CMAL circle—or, in this case, matrix? Is there a better way in which that could be structured, or is that structure the right one?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 7 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Moraig Lyall, I will throw you the same question but add to it that the committee has heard about the possibility of—I cannot remember exactly how it was described—the operator of the service bringing in its own vessels. Do you have any thoughts on what David has just provided?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

I am grateful.

Before I hand back to the convener, I have a final question for Angus Duncan Campbell. Angus, as you rightly brought this up, do you have anything to say on the weather resilience piece and whether CalMac is becoming more risk averse, particularly having heard the useful answer that Kirsty MacFarlane has just given?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that answer. I might come back to you in a moment on exactly that point.

Kirsty, we have heard Angus Duncan Campbell talk about weather resilience, and I note your comments at the beginning of this evidence session about the challenges that you would have faced had you attended in person today. The committee has heard suggestions that CalMac is becoming more reluctant to sail in adverse weather. Do you think that that is happening? In any event, does CalMac listen to representations from the community board about sailing in adverse conditions?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

Roy, I will cut you off there. It is very interesting, but there will be questions on staff later that my colleagues will pick up with you.

I have a final question, which is for Dr Baird. The 2012 ferries plan is due to be replaced by the islands connectivity plan, and ferries will be part of that. However, there is a separate draft long-term plan for vessels and ports, which has been given to key stakeholders for consultation. Do you have a view on whether it is optimal to consult on the two documents separately, and should it be done with only key stakeholders having access to one at this stage? Should the documents be separate at all?

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

On that point, you made some interesting comments earlier about procurement involving—or not involving—catamarans, for example. Is it your understanding that the consultations are picking up that procurement issue, with a view to analysing whether the problems that you suggest exist and, if they exist, what to do about them, or are those consultations not the best way to do that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 31 January 2023

Liam Kerr

Good morning, panel. I would like to go back to something that Neil Kay said in his introductory remarks. The current set-up has CalMac Ferries and Serco operating services, but the vessels are owned by CMAL, and various ports and harbours are also under that organisation. Is that the best model for running services and, if not, why not?