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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 6 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Yes. I have a brief question about something that came out of the earlier session. When you were watching that session, minister, I am sure that you heard that CMAL did not stipulate in the contract for the new ferries in Turkey that, where possible, the Scottish and/or UK supply chain should be used. Would the Scottish Government have preferred to see that clause in the contract? Would it prefer to see such clauses used in the future? If so, have you indicated that to CMAL?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand—thank you. Sticking with that press release, I note that, later on, it says:

“We will only ever order the vessels best suited to the routes and communities they are intended to serve.”

In previous evidence sessions, the committee heard from various communities that CMAL is procuring vessels and hardware improvements that appear not to be the best, or that do not accord with consultations that have taken place. If that is correct, how come there is a disconnect between CMAL’s position as stated in that press release, for example, and what appears to be the perceived reality?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand, but it was for CMAL to put a stipulation in the contract to say that, if it is possible to use Scottish suppliers, that should be the preference. It was for CMAL to make that decision.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I would be very grateful for that.

I understand the point that is being made and I accept, minister, that, if it was an open tendering process, that is fine. However, at some point, a decision was made. As I understand it, the contract is a standard Baltic and International Maritime Council one. I presume that, at some point, CMAL could have said as part of the negotiation that it wished to add a clause that said that, wherever possible, the yard would use the UK or Scottish supply chain. It has not done that. As a Government minister, would you have preferred that it had? In any event, when other procurement exercises take place, would you prefer CMAL to stipulate, as part of the contract negotiations, that UK and/or Scottish supply chains need to be used?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Thank you. The substantive question that I have at this stage is about Transport Scotland’s consultation on the “Islands Connectivity Plan: Long-Term Plan for Vessels and Ports on the Clyde & Hebrides and Northern Isles networks (2023-2045)”, which states:

“We will reduce the average age of the fleet to around 15 years by the end of this decade.”

How does CMAL intend to achieve that, particularly given the chair’s earlier comment that it is for the operator to dictate the spec?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Given that, the question begged is simply whether Transport Scotland’s statement on its aim to reduce the average age of the fleet to 15 years by the end of the decade will be realised, particularly given the funding situation that you alluded to, Kevin.

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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

There has certainly been a suggestion that some of what has been ordered historically and is likely to be ordered going forward is not best suited to particular routes or particular facilities. It would be interesting to hear your view on that. Can you explain to the committee how you ensure, and will ensure, that whatever is procured, whether we are talking about vessels or harbours, is best suited to the particular routes and communities that it will serve?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

I understand the answer, but I will press you on that. I asked you what is the new inflationary cost of the plans on the long-term plan that is still at the working-draft stage. Should the Government not be very quickly assessing the fact that CMAL thinks that there is a £1.4 billion cost? We are in inflationary times, so when will you be able to revert to CMAL and say: “Okay, here is what is happening with inflation, so here is the real cost, if we are to achieve what you have set out in the long-term plan”?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Ferry Services Inquiry

Meeting date: 28 February 2023

Liam Kerr

Good morning, minister. To follow on from that questioning from Mark Ruskell, the current CHFS contract ends in October 2024. Where are we when it comes to future planning for the service delivery and the process of tendering? Will it be a problem, or is there a concern, that the contract is—presumably—in the planning stages now, before the islands connectivity plan or the long-term plan are finalised, or even before they are at the working draft stage?

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