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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 11 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

Just to be clear, the amendments that you are asking the committee to agree to today have not been discussed with the UK Government. You will discuss them with the minister tomorrow. We have just heard about the timescale and how tight it is, given that we are coming up to the recess. However, you have been discussing the amendments for months with industry. Is that correct, minister?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

That is not what I asked, minister. Can we take it that, prior to pausing the scheme, no specific legal advice was sought on the impact of the pause?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

I know. Did you take legal advice, minister—yes or no?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

The First Minister said on Sunday that no compensation would be due from the Scottish Government to businesses that are out of pocket due to the aborted scheme. You will appreciate, minister, that there is always a risk of litigation. How much of a contingency has the Scottish Government budgeted in case the position is not as was set out by the First Minister, and in which budget line is that contingency?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

A responsible Government would surely make a contingency, in case its position is not as that Government thinks it is.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

I would like your response as a minister and a representative of the Scottish Government.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

Why put in a date in March 2024 and not a date in October 2025?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

Minister, the regulations make other amendments, as you pointed out, and I understand the reason for that. You talked about the need for collaboration and the need to discuss changes to the scheme with the UK Government. Have the changes that you are asking the committee to agree to today been discussed and agreed with the UK Government—in the collaborative way that you talked about earlier—to ensure alignment?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

That is not what I asked about, minister. I asked about the timescale. Was my reflection on your timescale correct?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 13 June 2023

Liam Kerr

I will make a brief contribution. I understand the difficulty of the timing, but I am deeply uncomfortable that the committee is almost being bounced into agreeing this motion—and I do not mean that in a pejorative way. I just find it deeply unsatisfactory to agree to a motion that we know will not be actioned next March, and I do not entirely understand why it cannot be changed. If it meant that the committee or the Parliament would have to sit during recess, that would be fine in my view—there are more than 40 days between now and 16 August. It is better to do things right, rather than quickly.

However, I appreciate that we do not have that choice, so I do not expect to vote against the motion. Indeed, it is for those reasons that I will vote for it. My observation on the substantive amendments that we looked at is that, although they might be the right way to go—and I listened to Mark Ruskell’s questions in this respect—I still find it difficult to understand why, given what we heard earlier, this has not at the least been discussed with the UK Government. The minister could have said, “Look, events of the past few weeks have caused changes to the Scottish scheme. Why are we not trying to make sure that there is alignment so that there will be no further changes?”

That is just an observation, however. I appreciate the situation that the minister has set out. For that reason, I am likely to vote for the regulations.