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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Forgive me—I guess that I had misunderstood what you said earlier. I had thought that we were training teachers to teach the Scots language, but that is not what the OU is doing, is it? Perhaps you could confirm that when you respond to my next question, if you would. The Scottish Government is paying for the course that you are providing. For how long is that funding guaranteed, and how many students will it put through the course?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I have a question for Lydia Rohmer, based on what Dr Munro has just said. Lydia, you say in your submission:

“it would be better to have two separate Bills—one for Scots and one for Gaelic. Having both together ... risks muddying the waters and causing confusion.”

You have heard how passionately Dr Munro has just spoken about the Gaelic side of the bill. Will you elaborate on what you would like to happen in terms of splitting the bill and whether it would be good for the committee to take that idea on board?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 8 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I will press you on that. Just to be clear, if the bill is passed, will Education Scotland be producing materials for each dialect, or is it the expectation that the individual classroom teacher will produce the materials with which to teach?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Perhaps, but I am still slightly struggling to decide or to isolate how the bill’s success will be measured. From looking through the bill, it seems to me that a large amount of the substance of any future language policy and, indeed, the targets that you have just talked about will be left to strategies, guidance and regulations. Perhaps that is where the answer to the question lies. Indeed, it sounds as though those are for the individual bodies to define. Why is there not more detail in the bill about the types of duties and the targets that the public bodies will have?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I am grateful for that, but that is not quite what I was getting at. Measurement has to measure something. You have also talked about significant spend, and my friend will come back to that later. What are the key performance indicators that show positive returns on the sums invested? What does success look like in terms of what is being measured?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

Claire Cullen, you mentioned Wales. I was interested in my friend Ben Macpherson’s questions about official status, and in Willie Rennie’s question about what difference designating an area of significance would make. The Welsh language was given official status in 2011. What research was done about what difference that made to the Welsh language, such that we could learn lessons when drawing up this bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

To be clear, you researched that, but it was not possible to say whether the designation of the Welsh language in 2011 as an official language made a measurable difference.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I will push you on that. You talked about resources for teachers. If there is no standard definition of Scots—I think that you said that it includes Doric, Orkney Norn and Lallans Scots—you will need different resources in different parts of the country. You will also need to recruit teachers who are able to deliver those resources or train them to do so. How much will that cost, and where in the financial memorandum can I find out about that?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

I have a question on Michelle Thomson’s point, which I agree is very interesting. The starting position is that it is for local authorities or Creative Scotland to choose whether to implement and promote what the bill is trying to achieve. That would require investment, but the context is that budgets are very tight. If a local authority is free to choose whether to do something, could it freely choose not to do something? If so, how would you achieve the change that Michelle Thomson is asking about?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Scottish Languages Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 1 May 2024

Liam Kerr

If that is correct, how would a Scots language strategy imposed from the top adequately allow for the different versions of the Scots language to thrive?