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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

Gordon, feel free to comment on how you monitor what happens beyond the main contractor. It is no secret that the NHS is facing huge financial challenges—my local health board has just announced that it has a £35 million deficit this year alone—and procurement must be one of the ways in which you are seeking to find savings in the health service. At the end of the day, price must be the absolute driver when it comes to delivery. To what extent are you using procurement to try to make the significant savings that you are having to make? What effect does that have on other issues such as fair work and the environment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I turn to Gordon Beattie. The fact that there is a mixed bag in the NHS probably comes down to monitoring as much as anything else. People do not always measure the full range of fair trade goods that they buy. Is that a challenge for the health service? Are you even asked to do that at the moment?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I will follow up on the point about monitoring fair work. It is fair to say that you assess the fair work commitments from the main contractor but, if you have awarded a contract, you do not monitor anything beyond that when the contractor subcontracts. Is that the case? Is that entirely a resource issue?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I presume that that is the case for the other witnesses, too.

Melanie Mackenzie indicated agreement.

Lynette Robertson indicated agreement.

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

I have a final question about resources. Craig Fergusson has already touched on the resource challenge that you would have when going beyond primary contractors. You are having to make millions of pounds of savings every year. Has there been a drive to use procurement as part of those savings? Are local authorities absolutely pushing procurement as a way to save money? If so, that is, I presume, in tension with buying fair trade goods. Is that fair to say?

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

That line has been used in my local authority. People have said, “You can get the paper clips in the shop round the corner, so why are you ordering them from there?”

Economy and Fair Work Committee 6 March 2024

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 6 March 2024

Colin Smyth

Scotland is a fair trade nation, and public procurement is an important part of that. A few years ago, the Scottish Fair Trade Forum did a piece of work that involved making freedom of information requests to find out how much public bodies were spending on fair trade products. To say that there was a mixed bag would be an understatement. I do not think that Scottish Water spent anything on that. It might well be that it does not monitor that or capture that information, but Scottish Water certainly said that it had no expenditure on fair trade products. The expenditure by colleges and universities varied. The University of Edinburgh had done some innovative work on using fair trade graduation gowns and it had a specific contract for that, but others said that they did not spend anything. Again, it probably comes down to how such expenditure is monitored. The NHS varied from board to board. There were some big figures in some areas but very little was spent in others.

Is fair trade on your agenda with regard to the procurement of products? What do you do about it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

The definition is a clear barrier to achieving that but are there any other barriers? Is there an awareness barrier, with public sector bodies not realising that the local authority or the Scottish Government supports fair trade? Is there a barrier when those who carry out the procurement work simply do not think about fair trade when they are pursuing particular contracts?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

David Livey is nodding. Is there anything else that we can change in the process to better embed fair work?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

Procurement Reform (Scotland) Act 2014 (Post-legislative Scrutiny)

Meeting date: 28 February 2024

Colin Smyth

Yes. Are they put off by the requirements? We want to embed fair work across the board, so we must break down the barriers.