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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 7 July 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

Thank you very much, Deputy First Minister. I will kick off with the first question. Why was the new deal for business needed? What failures in the relationship with business did you want to fix?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I will ask the same question to Dr Malik. What is your view on the relationship before the new deal for business was established?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

Yes, it would be helpful to get that. Will that set out those measurable outcomes?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

Thank you—that was helpful.

I will bring in Kevin Stewart and then the deputy convener.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I have a couple of final quick-fire questions on the recommendations. The regulatory review sub-group recommended an overhaul of business regulatory impact assessments. Have BRIAs been revisited to assess the accuracy of the process and address any unintended consequences of it?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I bring in Daniel Johnson.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Colin Smyth

It is important to put the issue in context. At the moment, there are seven SPCB supported commissioners with a budget of around £15 million—the Scottish Public Services Ombudsman accounts for half of that—so I do not think that we are being flooded by commissioners. We have 191 so-called quangos with a budget of £6.6 billion, which is maybe more of an issue than commissioners.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Colin Smyth

That was an important consideration, so I went through those criteria. My starting point was that we needed somebody with an independent voice to stand up for older people, but I was conscious of the criteria. I went through each of the six principles in quite a lot of detail—they are set out in the consultation document and, I think, in the public papers for this meeting. I needed to satisfy not only the Parliament but myself that my proposal met those principles. I believed that, if it did not, there was no point in taking the proposal forward, because the principles are sound.

I will not go through all six principles, but I will give you one example. On the clarity of the remit, my proposed commissioner would have a very clear remit, set out in the proposed bill, to promote and safeguard the rights and interests of older people. That purpose remains very distinct from that of any other office-holder’s post. I am very clear that there is a need for the role, and it very much meets the criteria, which were an important part of my consideration.

11:00  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Colin Smyth

I will be brief. I explored the issue in discussions with the Scottish Human Rights Commission. I also discussed it with ministers in the context of the proposed human rights bill, because I assumed that that would be happening some time soon. Obviously, it is not happening, so those discussions did not go very far.

However, in those discussions with the Scottish Human Rights Commission, it said openly that any change in its structure—it is understandable that its starting point would be its structure—would involve having rapporteurs on disability and older people. I think that the approach should be stronger than that but, even in those discussions, there was a recognition of the need to have something distinctive for each group.

We currently have a children’s commissioner, and I see no reason why we cannot look at how to incorporate that in a wider structure. However, at the moment, there is a strong case for a stand-alone older people’s commissioner. It may be part of a wider structure in the future, but even the Scottish Human Rights Commission thinks that there is a need for that distinctiveness.

Public engagement is important for commissioners. Young people engage with the children’s commissioner, and older people in Northern Ireland and Wales engage with their respective older people’s commissioners. It is maybe not as easy for the public if we say, “If you have a concern or issue over older people, you need to engage with the Scottish Human Rights Commission.” People in Wales and Northern Ireland know what an older people’s commissioner does, which is important.

11:15  

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Colin Smyth

To gain the support of older people, the commissioner needs to be a specialist older persons organisation, it has to involve older people in all aspects of its work, and its priorities must be informed by older people. There is a strong case for a stand-alone older persons commissioner. Currently, the Human Rights Commission does not carry out that particular role. There is a strong case for commissioners in all these areas to work together under an umbrella of shared services and shared research facilities. However, to reform the Human Rights Commission effectively, we would still have to create distinct commissioners within that structure for older people, disabled people and children. We might come to do that eventually, but at the moment, there is a strong case for a stand-alone commissioner for older people. That role cannot be carried out simply by tweaking the Human Rights Commission.