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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 July 2025
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Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Rona Mackay

It is exactly on that point. That was really interesting, Mr Naylor, but I wonder whether you could expand a wee bit on what you mean—what form that work will take, who will do it and that kind of thing.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Good morning. Earlier you acknowledged that you had seen some of the distressing evidence that the committee heard from former police officers and from the public about the process that they had gone through. Does the bill do enough to address their concerns about delays, transparency and lack of communication, and to remove some of the complexity from the system?

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You have said that it is quite a complex system. I do not know whether the bill will streamline it in any way. Do you think that it will?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Rona Mackay

My final question in this area is probably a bit vague. Is there any key element that you think should be in the bill but is not? Are we missing anything?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 23 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Okay. Is it planned that that will take place before the end of the year?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

We have a completely different set of figures, which might be to do with timescales.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

You have answered some of my questions there, Nicky, but you have also talked about introducing the wraparound support. We have heard from our witnesses that they did not receive that, quite honestly, so I want to understand the context and the timescale for that. When was it introduced?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Therefore, you will hold Police Scotland to account on any of those matters. If you hear about or see something happening that should not be happening, you will hold it to account.

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Okay—thank you. That was helpful. Would anyone else like to comment?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Has an evaluation of that work been done at any point?

Criminal Justice Committee

Police (Ethics, Conduct and Scrutiny) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 22 May 2024

Rona Mackay

Fiona McQueen, in your opening statement you said that the bill possibly does not go far enough and that not all of Lady Elish’s recommendations have been met. I have two questions. First, do you think that the process would still be overly complicated, despite the bill, because of all the different layers of bodies dealing with complaints, such as professional standards, the SPA and the PIRC?

Secondly, the previous chief constable and the current one have stated publicly that the force is institutionally racist and discriminatory. Do you think that the bill will go any way towards helping in that regard? What steps has the SPA taken to try to address that?

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