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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 January 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The Parliament also voted for a budget that committed the Government to expanding free school meals to those in receipt of the Scottish child payment. The regulations will allow us to move at pace on that commitment, which was set out in the budget. I recognise that your party did not vote for the budget—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Sorry, Mr Ross, but you completed your question and now you are talking across me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Have you completed your question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not agree with that assertion. Targeting the expansion of free school meals at those receiving the Scottish child payment was agreed to in advance of the next stage of the universal roll-out. Therefore, the SSI does not preclude the Government from meeting its ultimate aspiration, which is to deliver universality. If anything, it compels the Government to deliver on—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not have the email chain in front of me—I think that Mr Rennie’s point was informed by that chain, as well as perhaps the report in The Courier. Without seeing that, I am not sure that there was a suggestion in it to cut the figure per se. I think that there was a negotiation between the SFC and the Government—this is just my memory, so I will have to check back, convener—to assess what was required at that moment to assist the university.

I appreciate that some of those emails have been released and that some of them are redacted, which does not help to shed light on the issue—I accept that. However, I can say that there was a communication between the SFC and the Government at that time, during the budget process, to move at pace to provide that extra funding. That was provided, and then there was the £22 million liquidity request. I do not necessarily accept that there was a decision to reduce the amount. From memory, this would have been advice that was given to ministers by the SFC at that time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am more than happy to do that. I accept the committee’s on-going interest in this issue and I very much share it. I am happy to share as much as I am able to with the committee. We will meet the SFC later today, and if I can shed further light on our engagement with the SFC and the next steps, I will do so. Timescales are important here and we need to move at pace. I am happy to provide that information in writing to the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

You did.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The modelling that I have is two years old and puts the estimated cost at £256 million. I am more than happy to engage with political parties on how we deliver universality, but members well know, as we have discussed and debated at length, that that will not be during this session of Parliament because of the costs associated with the roll-out. However, the Government has taken the decision to work on a cross-party basis on the deliverability of the roll-out for children in receipt of the Scottish child payment. Today’s SSI will allow us to move forward at pace on that and will allow more families to obtain access to free school meals provision, which I think is a good thing for families and children in Scotland.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The committee knows that there are challenges across the higher education sector. We can go on to talk about what some of those challenges are, if the committee would like, but I am conscious that you are taking evidence from someone else following my session.

There are challenges at the University of Edinburgh. We have been engaging with that university under the auspices of the SFC. Remember that the funding that we provided to the SFC was for institutions—plural—in relation to some of the challenges. We very much recognise that the University of Dundee at the current time has a unique challenge that in no small part relates to its own finances and decisions that it took. The University of Edinburgh is in a separate space, but it still has its own challenges, and its principal has set out some of those. We have been engaged with that institution via the SFC, which we will continue to engage with on how we can support the institution more broadly.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not aware of a financial ask from the University of Edinburgh. However, as I have said, I am meeting the SFC this afternoon, so I can interrogate that matter further with the SFC on Mr Briggs’s behalf.

In the update that I provide to the committee in relation to Mr Rennie’s line of questioning, I will be more than happy to include details about the University of Edinburgh as well.