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  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 20 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Every cabinet secretary negotiates with the finance secretary of the day to deliver additionality for their portfolio—

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The member makes a good point. Obviously, this is not just an issue for education. The national insurance contributions issue affects a number of portfolio areas, and the member is right that Ms Robison is leading on that as finance secretary, although there are specific implications for education. As I alluded to in my response to Ms Dunbar at the start of the evidence session, we do not yet have the granular detail on how the changes will interact with public services. We therefore need to understand how the UK Government will implement those changes, and we need to forecast how much that will cost the areas for which I am responsible.

That job will be undertaken across Government, and the engagement is being led by Ms Robison. Should I receive a response—of course, I fully expect to do so—I am more than happy to share a copy of that with the committee for its interest.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

You would come to me on that, Mr Rennie, but I should start by saying that my wife sits on The Promise Scotland board, so I am recused from any decision making on the Promise. I will bring in Andrew Watson at this point to talk to the detail, but I just wanted to note my recusal, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We work very closely with universities on funding. We met Universities Scotland ahead of the budget and listened to its asks, and I think that those asks have been met with the budget allocation that is being provided—although the minister may have his own views on that. There is a 3.5 per cent increase in the allocation. We will continue to work with universities. It is also worth pointing out that universities are not solely dependent on the Government for their financing. They are independent institutions, and many work independently to bring in a variety of different funding streams to work collaboratively and in ways that, arguably, the Government cannot, to bring in additional finance. It is not a one-way street. I am open to engagement with universities about funding, and Mr Dey engages regularly with the sector.

I conclude with a reflection on the current challenge with national insurance contributions, which I do not have an answer for, and neither does the budget. That is a challenge, because unless I have clarity from the UK Government, I cannot respond to the sector’s needs. That is creating real uncertainty. Mr Dey also alluded to some of the challenges with international students, and I should add the consequences of Brexit for the sector. Mr Briggs will observe that some of the challenges are not necessarily of the Government’s making.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am pleased with the settlement that I have received for the education and skills portfolio.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Forgive me, Mr Rennie, but are you talking about the gap in terms of pay?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The budget provides an additional £10 million to complement the capital amount of £25 million in 2025-26 for the commitment that the member spoke of. As I understand it, that funding is coming to an end and that is the last tranche of it—it has been tapered off. It relates to the 2020-21 PFG commitment to invest £60 million to renew play parks across the country. Mr Rennick or Mr Watson might want to say more on that, but my understanding is that that funding has been tapered off in line with our approach to it, which is why it has seen a reduction this financial year.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I understand that it also relates to the autumn budget revision comparisons, which, as the committee will know, have somewhat skewed some of the numbers in the education data that you are seeing.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am happy to do so, as I do not have an answer for the member today.

I do not know whether Andrew Watson wants to respond to that. I see that he is shaking his head. I will seek clarity from officials on that point, because I recognise the member’s interest in the issue and it is important that we give the committee clarity on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Budget Scrutiny 2025-26

Meeting date: 8 January 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am sorry, but is your suggestion that we introduce tuition fees in Scotland?