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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Convener, I have not even seen the correspondence in question.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

We need to be mindful, though, of the fact that, 10 years ago, the percentage of ASN pupils in our schools was far smaller than it is today, so I am not necessarily sure that we can make such comparisons, given that the data at that time—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Yes, but if you look at the numbers, you will see that there are certain spikes that change when we look at the definitions. We broadened the definitions, which created some of that shift, but the pandemic also had an impact in that regard. I see that Alison Taylor is nodding at me in relation to the historical work, so I will bring her in.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I do not know—it did not seem to go down very well with Miles Briggs or the convener, so I will maybe not mention it again.

It is important to say that we have more options in education. The question for ministers and for me is whether they are politically palatable. The funding for teacher numbers is a good example of spend that is not legally committed. That extra funding of £145 million, which has now been uprated, was not legally committed, but I was pretty adamant that it was not being taken off the table, although it could have been.

As a Government, we need to take political decisions that say something about our priorities. For us, investing in education is important. I take Mr Greer’s point about the share of some of the reductions. He mentioned the origin of some of the reductions, so I do not need to go back over that ground. It is fair to say that it has been a challenging time in that regard, but we are now coming out of that, and I think that we have a strong settlement this year.

We have additionality for colleges, which is welcome, and I know that Mr Greer will welcome it. We have funding for breakfast clubs and wraparound childcare. We have funding that we have not touched on today in relation to free school meals. The changes relating to the administrative earnings threshold and pension credits are opening up more pathways for children and young people to access free school meals. That is really important work, and it is happening now.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I do not think that any funding comes from education to LGBT Youth Scotland—Alison Taylor or Clare Hicks will correct me if I am wrong—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Absolutely, but—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I will seek clarification from Andrew Watson, who is with me, but I remember that exchange and I thought that that detail was covered in the letter. I have subsequently checked what I said in the interview and what we said in our exchange in that meeting, and I can clarify that my officials and I are not aware that that were any issues in relation to the wording that was used at the time.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Well, my officials are with me during the meeting, but we will make sure that you have those notes as soon as possible. I apologise if they have not been shared with the committee. I checked the letter and saw that the matter was addressed in it, but I accept your point in relation to the briefing notes for “The Sunday Show”. I am happy to get them to you on the back of today’s meeting.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I am not going to provide you with a substantive list, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

No, I do not accept that we did.