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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The £22 million has been made available. As I understand it as cabinet secretary, I think that there was a negotiation between the SFC and the Government regarding how funding could be made available through the budget process. It is very clear that we acted at pace to provide that extra funding—we had to act at pace when the full quantum of job losses became known to the Government. That is why that funding was made available through the budget and it is why I announced the extra funding.

There are ways in which funding can be made available. Part of the funding—the £15 million—came through the budget process, but the other part of it came through £10 million in capital that I announced later. The important point is that the £22 million liquidity ask from the University of Dundee has been fully met and that there have been no further asks since.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not want to speak on behalf of Mr Dey. I reassure Ms Duncan-Glancy that I will take that point away from today’s evidence session and seek to engage directly with the Information Commissioner, particularly on this SSI and how it might be used as a learning point for us in relation to widening access.

As the member knows well, there have been real challenges in that regard. Mr Dey and I met Universities Scotland—I think at the start of this year—to talk about some of those challenges, because we want to have better data sharing. The Information Commissioner’s office has a direct role when there are challenges, and we need to be assured of all that we are doing. That assurance has been given in relation to this SSI. It may be that there is an opportunity to dovetail the approach that we have taken with this SSI in relation to Social Security Scotland and a national approach to widening access. I would be keen to pursue that with his office.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The budget agreement does not provide for that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I cannot. I wrote to all local authorities two weeks ago. I have yet to be provided with advice from Ms Meikle; we discussed that earlier. I expect to receive that advice in the coming days. I would be happy to share the advice with the committee when I have it, but it has not yet been presented to me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

In terms of universality—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The 25,000 are the extra children whom we anticipate will be captured by the SSI. There are thousands of families who are currently missing out on free school meals for their children, which is not good.

We want all families who should be in receipt of free school meals to have that for their child or young person. The SSI will mean that the data sharing is much better and more granular at a local level, and it will allow local authorities to move at pace in implementing the extra funding that we have provided them with to deliver on that commitment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

That was confirmed in the parliamentary chamber many months ago.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Alison, do you want to come in?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Yes. I share that disappointment.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Of course we constantly consider those costs. Following that debate, I engaged directly with the Scottish Futures Trust, particularly on the figure of £256 million that was put to us by the trust and was independently analysed.

Mr Ross’s colleague Liam Kerr, who was the education spokesperson at the time, put forward—he might have included it in your party’s motion—a different figure, which we differed on because, as I understand it, it did not include capital costs. I am in constant contact with the SFT about driving down those costs, and I am more than happy to consider other suggestions. Mr Kerr came forward with a suggestion, although I do not think that it was borne out by the facts, because the Government, with its expansive provision and the funding associated with that, has had to spend millions of pounds of capital on building kitchens, which has increased costs, but those costs were not accounted for in the Conservatives’ figure.

Let us go back to the budget negotiations. If the provision of universal free school meals is such a pressing issue for Mr Ross and his party, why was it not part of their budget negotiations?