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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 29 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I think that that is right.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Ross—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I might defer to my officials on the question about the 1980 act, but, as I understand it, the regulations are required today because, at the current time, and as I outlined in my opening remarks, different local authorities across the country are using different ways of gathering data. The legislation will allow a new approach to data sharing. We have worked with Social Security Scotland over the past year to allow that to happen.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Laura, do you want to come in here?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

In terms of the data-sharing benefits or the—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I would have to go back to the draft financial recovery plan, which I do not have in front of me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Exactly that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is an example of the Government recognising the challenge of the fact that lots of families have missed out over the years, who should—this relates to Ms Haughey’s point—have been able to access free school meals.

I broadly agree with the convener’s point about the stigma that, historically, has been associated with free school meals. The data-sharing arrangement goes some way to overcoming that, because it empowers local authorities to reach out to families by writing to them directly to make sure that their children are in receipt of free school meals.

Politically, we should be in lockstep on the issue. I accept the challenge in relation to universality. We could have a political debate about why the Government has not been able to afford that during the current parliamentary session. However, fundamentally, the SSI is about data sharing and, as Ms Haughey said, making sure that those children who are hungry receive food in school so that they are able to attain and to attend, which there are real challenges with post the pandemic. The SSI is part of our holistic response to that situation in our schools. The Government has come forward with a solution.

I am not here to be given marks out of 10 by committee members. I do not expect praise or feedback to that end, but we need to learn from this. I accept that it has been a challenge for us to move forward at pace, but we must use this as an opportunity to have better data sharing so that we can feed more children in our schools and meet the needs of more learners across Scotland, including in relation to widening access more broadly.

10:30  

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

That would certainly be my aspiration. I am old enough to remember when Mr Adam and I took evidence in this room on the Finnish approach to education, which is depoliticised. The approach that is taken by political parties in that country is quite different from the one that is taken in Scotland, which tends to be split along constitutional lines.

When we talk about children in poverty, we should all be on the same page, working towards supporting those who are most in need. The SSI will allow us to make progress on that. I accept that the Government’s aspiration in relation to universality will not be met before the next election—that is well known to members; we have debated the issue in the chamber—but the SSI means that the Government will be compelled to make progress. We have put in place the extra funding, and we now expect local authorities to deliver on it. That is exactly why the SSI is so important.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It could, but there are differences when it comes to some of the widening access work that Mr Dey gave evidence on recently. I see the SSI as being part of the solution in the longer term for the exact same reason, because it will allow for a national approach to data sharing, which we do not currently have. In this instance, it will help local authorities to identify those who are in receipt of the Scottish child payment—I acknowledge that Mr Dey was giving evidence in relation to free school meals. More broadly, the instrument gives us an opportunity to learn how we might be able to better provide for data sharing between national Government, via—in this case—the auspices of Social Security Scotland, and local authorities.

I know that there have been significant challenges with the north-east pilot, which Mr Dey has written to the committee about, but I am keen that the approach that we are using in relation to the Scottish child payment, which compels the Government and local authorities to act, is one that we might be able to learn from in relation to widening access and to use in that space in the future.