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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is not my job, as cabinet secretary, to comment on the views of the children’s commissioner. The committee will hear from her shortly. However, the Parliament voted for a budget that commits the Government to expanding free school meals to those in receipt of the Scottish child payment. You and your party voted against the budget, but the SSI—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

As the committee knows, the liquidity support allows the university to continue, but it does not bring the job loss number down. We need to work with the SFC on next steps in that regard, while remembering and respecting the independence of that institution. I am mindful of Office for National Statistics classification in all of this, and we need to be careful about that.

On Mr Rennie’s point, we have met the liquidity request. We are open, as a Government, to working with the SFC on any further requests. None has thus far been made. However, we expect an alteration to be made to the draft FRP, because, as the committee heard two weeks ago from the interim principal, the university is looking at alternatives. When that alteration comes forward, the Government will consider what further support we can provide under the auspices of the SFC. We will be completely transparent with the committee on how we do that. We need to be really careful about ONS classification in all of this.

This is a challenging time for the University of Dundee and for the city of Dundee. Yesterday’s reports will not have helped. It is the Government’s job in this situation to help support the university and its staff—all the people who work there—and its students. We are absolutely committed to doing that and will continue to engage with all those people.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Excuse me?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The budget, as negotiated, commits the Government to the delivery of free school meals for primary 6 and 7 children in receipt of the Scottish child payment. It also commits us to further work on the test of change projects for secondary 1 to 3 pupils. You and your party voted against the budget. Today’s regulations will allow us to deliver on the budget that was passed by the Parliament. You are suggesting that the Government is not listening to the will of Parliament, but I am advancing the will of Parliament in that regard.

However, I accept the point about universal free school meals. The financial challenge that the Government faces is well known to the committee. I have talked about the budget gap in relation to the £256 million of investment that is required for universality. That budget line has not been updated for two years, so I am unable to give you a firm date today regarding universality, but I will continue to work across the chamber on the delivery of universality, because it is so important.

We talk about child poverty and about some of the impacts that have been borne by children in our schools. I hope that Mr Ross will also reflect on the impact that austerity has had on our children and their educational attainment in recent years. Some of the impacts on the Scottish Government’s budget have been caused by decisions that have been made by Governments elsewhere, including those made by his party.

I do not think that there is disagreement today—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

You have repeatedly interrupted me, convener.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Convener, as I have set out, the modelling that the Government last undertook on that is two years old—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Convener, are you going to allow me to answer your question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Dey and I have interrogated the draft FRP with the principal and the senior management team—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We have asked and we have engaged with the interim principal and the senior management team. There was no movement from the 634 figure in that engagement, so we were surprised by yesterday’s reports. We will continue to engage with and support the senior management team at the university as best we can via the SFC, but that figure was not shared with ministers in advance of the committee receiving it yesterday, which is concerning. I, along with Mr Dey, will discuss that matter with the SFC later today. I am happy to share further updates with you, convener, and the committee.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

It is a joint, shared arrangement.