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Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I sincerely hope that the university is happy with the Scottish Government. We are providing a large amount of public money to help it, given the challenges that it has encountered as a result of the financial decisions that were taken by the previous management team.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I am going to a meeting with the Scottish Funding Council after this evidence session, so I will interrogate the point that you have made. I am not necessarily sure that I agree with the point about impartiality, but I am more than happy to continue my engagement with the SFC in that regard.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Which specific point are you alluding to with regard to impartiality?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I think that the evidence base for that was background briefing in the press, with unattributed sources. Is that correct?
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I am not necessarily sure that I am reluctant to say that it is better. It is just that I suppose that Mr Rennie presumes that the relationship was bad at some point. I mean, we are bailing out a—
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I cannot recall, on the second point, but I am happy to write to the committee on that. However, I have engaged with Mr Johnson on the matter over a number of years. We have been engaging with Mr Johnson on it throughout my time as cabinet secretary. We have been discussing it, and he has been aware of the need for us to publish guidance. He has fed into some of that process, and his team have been helpful in sharing their thoughts. We have been engaged throughout the period in question.
Convener, you are right that the Government could perhaps have taken a decision earlier on whether to take on the bill. We did not do that because of the timescales associated with the publication of the guidance. We are content to support Mr Johnson’s bill at stage 1, but we are still going to carry out a review of how the guidance is operating in practice, which we hope will help to inform the passage of the bill.
09:00Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
Yes, but I think that it will be challenging to do that. As the committee will know, local government will have a strong view on the creation of league tables. In education, whether it is about behaviour or exclusion rates, there is often a real reticence on the part of local government partners to have an approach that measures them against one another.
I also think that such an approach—which I do not support—would not be helpful. Reporting might increase in a local authority, which would be a good thing, but then it might feel under the spotlight, simply because of that increase. We have seen that with some local authorities with regard to behaviour—I think that it is quite interesting.
I hear the point that Ms Duncan-Glancy is making, but I think that we need to deal with these issues very carefully. Moreover, it should not take away from the fact that, individually, parents and carers should know of incidents of restraint as and when they happen, and that they should be informed as a matter of course. Our national guidance sets that out, and it is certainly our expectation, but I think that the bill will put it beyond doubt, because it will put it on a statutory footing.
09:15Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
I would expect the university to be able to meet those conditions, yes.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
The permanent principal appointment is challenging. Mr Gillespie left in December last year, so, to my mind, that process should have been undertaken long before now. However, that is not the position in which the university finds itself. I also direct the committee back to Pamela Gillies’s report, which addressed the issues around governance in the institution and the lack of a permanent leadership team. As I understand it, that remains the position in the university today. I am sure that the committee will want to put those issues to the current management team, but we expect the SFC to pursue them on behalf of ministers, and, since March, I have been engaging with the SFC on all these matters, along with Mr Dey—and now with Mr Macpherson, of course.
Education, Children and Young People Committee
Meeting date: 29 October 2025
Jenny Gilruth
What they are is quite important—this is a bit hypothetical.