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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

And it will not come into force until 19 May.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We do not have to at this stage, but it will have to be in place by 19 May when the data-sharing agreement is in place.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The budget commits us to the roll-out of free school meals to children in primary 6 and 7 who are in receipt of the Scottish child payment, and to children in S1 to S3 who are in receipt of the Scottish child payment in the eight test of change local authorities that I referred to earlier.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have not been advised that that would be the case, because the DPIA is already being developed by Social Security Scotland. It is planned to be completed by 19 May, but I take your point, convener, and I am more than happy to write to the committee on that point.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Why so?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have not been given advice on that issue. This SSI relates to the Scottish child payment. However, I take your point, convener. The point that Ms Duncan-Glancy raises about engagement with the Information Commissioner’s Office is a fair one. As I understand it, higher education officials regularly engage with the office—I see officials nodding. I want to take this away to be absolutely assured of that point with them.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The north-east project is a pilot and, as I understand it, the view was that a pilot would be undertaken in one part of the country and learning would be taken from that. In order for us to go to the Information Commissioner’s Office and take that learning, we first need to have a pilot to evaluate.

That data sharing is due to take place in the spring, and evaluation of that work is planned for later this year. At that point, I would fully expect engagement with the Information Commissioner’s Office to be undertaken to ensure a robust approach to national roll-out. Further, if there is applicable learning from this SSI, across the board, we can use that at a national level.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not necessarily sure that it is “in the kitty” per se. However, I take Mr Rennie’s point on the optics of that and go back to the overall quantum that has been met by Government.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We knew that we would have to meet the liquidity request and we worked at pace to provide that additionality.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

You and I are probably of similar ages. Certainly, when we were at school, those who were in receipt of free school meals were provided with a certain colour of ticket for the dinner queue, which created stigma. My understanding is that that approach is not used in our schools any more, which has really helped to take away some of the stigma.

I accept the children’s commissioner’s point and think that it is valid. There are many different ways in which schools deal with reducing stigma, such as their work on the cost of the school day, which we have been able to fund through the pupil equity fund. Schools are adept at managing when children and their families are in need.

Would I like us to get to universality? Yes, and that remains the Government’s firm focus. There is no provision in the budget for us to do that, because of the associated costs that we have spoken about, such as inflationary pressure and things being much more expensive. The Government has also had to meet the cost of pay deals. Although we agree with those pay deals, that has ultimately made our original commitment on free school meals unaffordable.

However, the SSI will allow us to make firm progress, and it will expand the number of families who can receive free school meals. I think that that will be a good thing for the children of Scotland.