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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 18 June 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Not as I understand it. On 19 February, the SFC notified the Government of the university’s request for urgent liquidity support, and on 25 February we announced that £15 million of financial transactions would be made available to the Scottish Funding Council to support universities such as Dundee. Those dates—19 and 25 February—show that we acted at a pretty urgent pace.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not agree.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

You have just heard from Nico that there is a legal requirement for local authorities not to stigmatise children. In my experience, I do not see evidence of that happening in our schools. I trust Scotland’s teachers, who are trained caring professionals, not to stigmatise the young people who are in their care. That is not how members of the teaching profession and those who work in our schools work with our children and young people. When families are in need, they work with them every day. We need to be very careful about suggesting otherwise.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Yes, I saw you shaking your head.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am meeting the Scottish Funding Council later today, along with Mr Dey. I was somewhat surprised by the correspondence that the committee received in relation to that number, which had not been shared with ministers in advance. I recognise the concern, and I share that concern very much.

The committee is aware, as we have stated this publicly, that there has been no further financial ask of Government beyond the £22 million of liquidity, which has been met. However, Mr Dey and I have been very clear that we are open to additional asks from the university, under the auspices of the SFC, recognising the legal need for that in this space.

We have also been very clear that, although it is not palatable to ministers, that is the number that we expect. However, the university said in evidence to the committee two or three weeks ago that it was looking at alternatives. We have not yet been presented with those alternatives. I expect them to be presented to the SFC in the coming weeks, and I would be more than happy to, and I expect to, give an update to the committee on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

No. The university was engaging with the SFC, because it had to engage directly with the SFC rather than the Government. The engagement was undertaken with the SFC.

On 14 February, the university requested urgent liquidity support from the SFC and on 19 February the SFC notified the Scottish Government. On 25 February, we provided the extra £15 million more broadly and on 6 March the SFC received the draft copy of the FRP, which, on 7 March, was sent to the Scottish Government. That draft included details of the proposed reduction in the number of staff. That is the chronology. The £15 million was made available and, at a later date, we found out the actual number of job losses and met the asks in relation to the £22 million of liquidity support.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

The Parliament also voted for a budget that committed the Government to expanding free school meals to those in receipt of the Scottish child payment. The regulations will allow us to move at pace on that commitment, which was set out in the budget. I recognise that your party did not vote for the budget—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Sorry, Mr Ross, but you completed your question and now you are talking across me.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Have you completed your question?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not agree with that assertion. Targeting the expansion of free school meals at those receiving the Scottish child payment was agreed to in advance of the next stage of the universal roll-out. Therefore, the SSI does not preclude the Government from meeting its ultimate aspiration, which is to deliver universality. If anything, it compels the Government to deliver on—