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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Indeed. No issues have thus far been raised with me or been presented to me by officials, but I would be more than happy to engage with the committee on that. As I understand it, there was no requirement to have that process completed by the laying of the SSI today, but there will be for it to come into force on 19 May.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I will sit very quietly and allow you to interrupt and interject consistently. It is not particularly pleasant, but I will allow you to continue, Mr Ross.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

We will ask Social Security Scotland to provide a written update to the committee. We want more young people to have access to university and higher education, but we also want them to have access to free school meals, which is the purpose of the SSI that is before us today. We will take that point away and provide the committee with a further update on the points that Ms Duncan-Glancy has raised, which are very fair.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I engaged with the SFT on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have set out the SSI; we are dancing on the head of a pin.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I agree that our schools work every day not to stigmatise those families who are most in need. They are compelled by legislation to ensure that they do not stigmatise, and I trust that they work in our schools every day to ensure that they do not do so.

If the children’s commissioner or the committee have any examples of children being stigmatised on the issue, I am more than happy to consider those, because that would be a real challenge. I would not want that to be happening in our schools. However, I have not been presented with such evidence in the past two years, and I trust Scotland’s teachers and the staff who work in our schools not to stigmatise. They work tirelessly, every day, in a very caring profession, and I do not think that a stigmatising approach is taken in our schools. I have not witnessed such an approach in recent times.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I do not think that you will be surprised to hear that I do not accept that. The Government’s aspiration for universal free school meals in primary schools remains; I stand by that commitment.

You will have heard extensively, in last year’s debate and in other exchanges in the Parliament, about the unaffordability of delivering such provision during this parliamentary term. Last year’s debate was informed by analysis from the Scottish Futures Trust, which suggested that universality would cost in the region of £256 million. Officials reminded me this morning that that figure is now two years out of date, so we can expect the cost to now be far in excess of £256 million. In the budget and in budget negotiations, we committed to a broader expansion that is focused on those receiving the SCP. If anything, I would argue that the regulations commit us to going more quickly than we otherwise would, because we would give the example—

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Ross, I know that you are not here to rubber-stamp all my SSIs. You are here to challenge me. That is your job, and it is your right to do so. I respect that—of course I do.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have had a lot of discussion and engagement with the university—with the senior management, the trade unions and, last week, the student union. The community of Dundee is very concerned about all this. Mr Rennie and I know, because our constituencies border Dundee over the water, how important the university is to Dundee and the wider economy.

We expect the university to consider alternatives. It is a very challenging time for the University of Dundee in relation to its finances. We have made available that liquidity support, and we are looking at what more we might be able to provide to the university. However, we have not yet had a further ask from the university, and we remain open to such asks.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 2 April 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Very much so. I need to be mindful of what I say here as cabinet secretary.