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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Session 6: 13 May 2021 to 8 April 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Forty-three per cent.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I heard your question on that point, convener, and I heard Professor Alexis Jay say in response that she is supportive of the approach that we have put out in principle. It is important that the committee and Parliament recognise that she will have a role in relation to supporting the methodology and providing expertise to the national review. That is hugely important, to my mind. She also said that we will know, within the course of the next few months, the impacts of that work. I want to be careful, convener, because I will be giving a statement to Parliament later today on the issues, but I am very pleased that we have her expertise involved in the work.

I should also say—I think that Professor Alexis Jay touched on some of this work as well, although I did not listen to her full evidence session—that the inspectorates are all independent of Government. They have statutory responsibilities. Importantly, they also have statutory powers to investigate, which ministers do not have, so the evidence base that the inspectorates will be key in delivering will provide us with further information on the scale and the challenge in relation to child sexual abuse across the country.

I also heard from Professor Alexis Jay’s evidence that, at the current time, we do not have a sufficient evidence base. I think that she also said that that is not unique to Scotland. However, it is imperative that that evidence base is built upon, and the Government is taking forward that work. I look forward to saying a bit more on that this afternoon, but for committee members’ reassurance—and I think that you acknowledged this, convener—I have organised for Professor Alexis Jay and Police Scotland to give a private briefing to MSPs, which I think is hugely important, in January.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I have.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I think that you made that point to Alexis Jay, who spoke about some of the challenges and alluded to potential legislative change. I do not want to get ahead of the work, but she has set out that a sub-group of the national strategic group is tasked with specifically looking at the issue in more detail. I would like to come back to Parliament and provide more detail in relation to mandatory reporting, but I want to put ministers’ support for it on the record.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

In relation to the strategic group minutes?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I heard that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

That was what I understood to be the case at the time, convener. Again, I am happy to check my briefing for “The Sunday Show” and to write to the committee with more detail in that regard. What I said reflected my understanding, and I think that it is the position that the First Minister broadly set out to the Parliament last week in his engagement with Russell Findlay on exactly this topic.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Briggs, are you referring to the petition that relates to whistleblowing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

First, in relation to victims—again, I will say more about this later in my statement to Parliament—we all need to be mindful that, when we talk about these subjects in the chamber, in the committee or in the media, it is traumatising to victims, so we need to be mindful of our language. I will put that on the record again today. I am sure that, like me, members have been inundated with emails from the public—perhaps victims—in relation to their experiences. I am therefore very mindful of treating the issue with the sensitivity that it deserves.

On who will be leading the work, as I announced to Parliament two weeks ago today, the four inspectorates have a role to play, and they will carry out their work. I will say more about that in my statement to Parliament. Alexis Jay is chairing the national strategic group, which is hugely important in that regard.

What Alexis Jay said to the committee this morning and what she said to me when I met her recently is that we do not yet have the evidence base to arrive at a decision as to whether further inquiries are needed. When we have that evidence base, the Government will need to take a decision, and it may be that a figurehead is appointed. I think that you asked Alexis Jay whether that would be something that she would lead on. I do not want to prejudge the outcome of the evidence gathering that is necessary to establish whether further inquiries are necessary.

In relation to victims, I thought that it was quite helpful that, last Monday, the Scottish child abuse inquiry made it very clear that, should it be within the terms of reference of its inquiry, people who have been victims of grooming can come forward and should contact the inquiry in relation to historical cases, which that inquiry is looking at additionally.

I want to say a bit more on engagement with victims, and I will set some of this out in my statement. I heard some of the commentary that Alexis Jay provided in relation to the truth project work that was led down south. Last week, along with the Minister for Children, Young People and The Promise, I spoke to Tam Baillie about some of that work and listened to some of that expertise. We would want to be able to set out a fuller update to Parliament in that space.

I will say more on that today, but I am mindful of the important points that the convener makes about victims, who will be watching very closely and who have been let down by systems. It is hugely important that what we put in place has their faith and their trust, and that we can deliver on their expectations in that regard. I will always be resolutely focused on that as cabinet secretary.

I would encourage committee members, if they have contact from victims, to please share information if they are able to. We, as ministers, have made it very clear in our engagement with the strategic group that we want to engage directly. This is a priority for the Government, not just for me as cabinet secretary.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Cross-portfolio Session

Meeting date: 17 December 2025

Jenny Gilruth

I am not necessarily sure that I would say that that was correct.

As I understand it, Alexis Jay met last week with His Majesty’s chief inspector of constabulary and the Care Inspectorate, and Ms Don-Innes and I had a helpful meeting with officials on the matter this morning. The work is under way. Those inspectorates have their own independent leadership teams that lead on their work, so leadership is being provided by the inspectorate teams, and Alexis Jay chairs the national strategic group.

I have responsibility for child protection, but the work to act on child sexual abuse is a cross-Government endeavour, as you have just heard from the Cabinet Secretary for Justice and Home Affairs. This is not only about one area of Government; we all have responsibilities in that regard. To reassure the committee, there have been cabinet discussions on the topic. The First Minister is taking a leading role on the topic, which is currently of the utmost importance to the Government.

I hear your point in relation to leadership, and when I set out my statement to the Parliament today, I hope that I will be able to provide further clarity on that. I think that your points about victims have been well made.