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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 7 March 2026
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Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

A number of institutions are facing challenges currently, but I want to be clear that this year’s budget settlement will help to protect those institutions. I need to be quite careful on this point, because, as you will understand, ministers do not distribute the funding. The Scottish Funding Council has a key role in that regard, as is right and proper, but, to my mind, the funding that we have provided in the budget will help to create the stability that the sector needs to address the challenges that you have rightly raised. I accept that a number of institutions are in a challenging position currently, and there are others that are in a less challenging position.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Yes. I have discussed that issue, because I recognise the challenge and I share some of the member’s views on it. I will bring in Shirley Laing in a moment in relation to that. My understanding is that some of the reduction is because the DLC was coming to completion, so you would naturally expect that spend to reduce as a result. I will bring in Shirley Laing on the specifics of the reporting and the way in which that was made clear—or not, as the case may be. We can perhaps reflect on that and on how we can communicate the budget, because it is important for the sector to have certainty on the funding, and I do not want to create any dubiety on that.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

No.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

No, and I cannot recall ever being asked, as cabinet secretary, for views on how the budget lines would be presented. In general, that is not how things are communicated with cabinet secretaries.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Mr Macpherson will come in on that. I broadly accept your point about RAAC, which is an issue not only for the college estate but for the whole education estate. There are issues with RAAC in some of our schools, for example. We need to have a coherent cross-Government approach. Ms Somerville led the work on understanding where RAAC existed, and as I think that the committee will recall, I appeared before the committee back in 2023 to talk about some of those issues in a bit more detail.

The college estate does not belong to ministers, but it is fair to say that we have an interest in it, so we have been working with the sector on how we can provide additionality and enhanced funding. There are specific challenges. Mr Briggs gave the example of Dundee and Angus College, but there are other institutions in a similar position. Mr Macpherson wants to say more about the infrastructure investment plan for colleges and how that will help to support that work.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

It is across the board. We need to be careful about that. Some public bodies have grown exponentially—and your party regularly chastises ministers such as me on the growth of the public sector. We need to look at that.

That does not apply just to public bodies. The Scottish Government civil service has grown over time, since the pandemic. We all have a role to play in that regard, and our public bodies will be key to delivering on some of the efficiency savings.

It will not be across the piece, however. It will be easier to create savings in some public bodies than in others, thinking about the critical work done by public bodies—not least the children’s hearings system, for example. They are so essential that we would need to be very careful in looking at reductions in certain areas.

We will have to play our part in education, no doubt, but, to refer to the point that Clare Hicks was making, we will protect front-line services. That applies particularly to teaching roles.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I cannot recall, convener. Do you know, Shirley?

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I think that I referenced the role of the education system in tackling poverty in my opening statement. I am fairly sure that I did.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

Yes.

Education, Children and Young People Committee [Draft]

Budget Scrutiny 2026-27

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Jenny Gilruth

I think that it is complementary to the challenges that colleges face. I do not see the issues as being in competition. However, on your substantive point, Mr Rennie, this is about us changing fundamentally and thinking about how we fund the college sector. It is also about recognising that it is not just about buildings, which is the point that Mr Briggs pursued—I am sure that other members will be looking at other areas. It is fundamentally about the communities that the colleges support and whether we can leverage into our colleges sector additionality to reduce poverty. We know that colleges play an integral role and help to support our communities. I do not therefore see the issues as being in competition.