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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 3 October 2025
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

That is helpful, and it dovetails into my next question. In some of the committee’s previous evidence sessions, office holders highlighted that, in some instances, recommendations that were provided to smaller organisations were not tailored to the specific organisations. I would be grateful if you could clarify further what measures are in place to ensure that the recommendations that are provided during audits are sufficiently specific to, and actionable for, smaller organisations.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Auditor General, you have provided us with a lot of information, insights, context and clarifications this morning that will be really helpful to our task in this review. Is there anything else that you want to say that you have not been able to express in answer to the questions that we have posed?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Good morning, everyone, and welcome to the sixth meeting in 2025 of the SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee. I have received no apologies.

Today, the committee will take evidence from the Auditor General for Scotland, and then from MSPs who have proposals for bills that would create new Scottish Parliamentary Corporate Body supported bodies. I am pleased to welcome Stephen Boyle, the Auditor General for Scotland.

Auditor General, in the past few weeks, an emerging theme of the committee’s work has been the number of public bodies. We know what the role of each body is, and we know how people can get an understanding of that. In an evidence session that we had with the Scottish Information Commissioner a few weeks ago, he referred to the number of public bodies and to the discussions that he had had with you about that. Do you want to touch on that first, and feed back anything that you wish to say to us and to the Parliament in that regard?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

You talked mostly about older people, but you also mentioned the Children and Young People’s Commissioner. Sarah Boyack has a proposal for the unborn and future generations. Do you want to answer my question, Sarah?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am sorry to interrupt you when you are in full flow, but it is important to note that there are a number of Government-funded commissioners in organisations. Part of the challenge that we face is that there are the SPCB supported commissioners and there are commissioners such as the Police Investigations and Review Commissioner, which is funded by the Scottish Government but is seen as being independent. Although we have been tasked with considering only the SPCB-funded bodies, we are conscious of the wider picture. I feel that it is important to emphasise that, for context.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

You have given us lots to consider and to probe further. I hand over to Murdo Fraser.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I thank you all. That will be helpful when it comes to our further questions.

I have another generic question. Obviously, the realisation of human rights, sustainability and the wellbeing of people in different groups in our current society and future generations falls to the responsibility of ministers. As MSPs—parliamentarians—we consider those issues as part of our casework, our daily deliberations and how we hold the Government to account. Other public bodies, whether they are funded by the Scottish Government or the SPCB, are focused on human rights, value for money and delivery. Could you elaborate further on why you think that your proposals are necessary, given what is already in place?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

I am conscious of time, colleagues. If there is anything that you really want to tell us but have not had the chance to say yet, please let us know.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you very much, Mr Balfour. I am sure that we will come on to our witnesses’ various areas of interest—in your case, the interests of disabled people and the operation of the current SPCB supported bodies.

You have just touched on issues that are experienced by older people, including pensioners, which helpfully segues into the area that Colin Smyth’s proposal covers. Will you answer my question, Colin, please?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee [Draft]

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 13 March 2025

Ben Macpherson

Thank you. I am sure that we will get into some of the points that you have raised when colleagues ask their questions.

Colin Smyth, do you want to add anything, or have colleagues covered that area?

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