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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
My second proposition probably brings us a bit more into this space. Having reflected on the evidence that we have taken, I wonder whether we need to almost flip some of the priorities on their head. Instead of, say, asking for more consideration to be given to the matter, we need to challenge every aspect of the education system to demonstrate what it is delivering on skills. It is not good enough for universities to turn around and say, “Your skills requirements are not our business.” We need to be challenging primary, secondary and all tertiary education and asking, “How are you contributing to skills outcomes?”
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Just for clarity, are you arguing that we should be diverting money from other post-school education destinations—that is, university and colleges—towards the skills system?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Now that we are at the end of our evidence taking, I have, instead of questions, one or two propositions that I would like to put to the panel, just to reflect my thoughts. I will ask just one of you to volunteer a response because, otherwise, I will not have enough time to get through them.
My first proposition—and reflection—is that we treat apprenticeships and skills as a bit of a monolith, when they are not, and I think that there is one particular element on which that view is taken. The fact is that apprentices do not end up with just one qualification; an apprenticeship is actually a method of learning. Does the panel agree with the proposition that we need greater clarity on the qualifications that people actually end up with, instead of just treating the apprenticeship as the thing in itself? Is the Scottish vocational qualification that people end up with at degree level? What about the qualifications in between? Do we need to be a little bit more refined in our understanding of what qualifications apprenticeships deliver?
Paul Campbell, everyone has stepped back and you seem to be left standing.
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Thank you. I would just like to pitch a slightly different question. Paul Campbell, you are here representing SAAB, which has essentially been scrapped. Has it been articulated to you what SAAB was not doing, or why it was not working, and therefore why it has been scrapped?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Paul Campbell, I am going to come to you last, because I think that you will need to declare an interest in answering this question.
Sandy, can I pitch the same question to you? Given the importance of financial services, do you have clarity on where the inputs will be for industry? Do you think that there is sufficient interface with industry in the proposed structures?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
The renewables sector is probably facing the biggest change and needs the biggest increase in skills. Does Scottish Renewables have any clarity on where the industry voice will exist in the proposed new system?
10:45Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Just finally, Paul, what are your top three or four things, to hit your Pareto point?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 30 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
I am going to come back and ask you what you think those things are, because I feel that you want to get them off your chest.
First, though, I will put my last proposition to you. We have heard quite a lot about the balance between the big employers and the SMEs. The big employers are overwhelmed with applicants, while SMEs struggle, sometimes, to engage with the system. Do we need more of a sectoral approach? I know, Paul Sheerin, that there have been some moves in that direction in advanced manufacturing, and likewise in construction, where we have long-standing collaborative bodies. Do we need more sectoral approaches to bring balance and help firms of different sizes engage with the system more effectively?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
Are there any other structural elements, such as the format of learning? How should we break down the problem in order to address the reskilling issue?
Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Daniel Johnson
I have a brief supplementary question. I want to break what has been said apart a little bit, and I will explain why. A few weeks ago, I spoke to a decorator apprentice who had started when he was 30. There is a structural problem, which you alluded to, in relation to funding and the format of learning, but that apprentice said that he had also found there to be a cultural issue in that everyone treats the apprentices as young lads, but he is not a young lad.
Do you agree that there are multiple strands? As well as the issues with structure and the format of learning, there might be some cultural elements. Are there any other strands to the reskilling challenge? It is really important that we pull apart all the details of what that challenge looks like.