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I wonder whether you can identify any particular consequences. Are there areas of provision that you think are particularly exposed or that have suffered because of the funding shortfall?

Are there any final thoughts before I move on?

My questions follow on from what Gail Macgregor said about the level of funding for local authorities. First, on COSLA’s previous budget submission, you stated that there would be a £500 million shortfall after the budget revisions. Was that the case? If so, I would be interested to know what the consequences were, given what you have said about the difficulties that local authorities face in delivering core, statutory services on the basis of current funding.

Secondly, given that that budget process was undertaken midway through the pandemic and that many of the services that councils provide are fundamental, safety-net services, what is your current assessment of the increase in demand and, therefore, the current shortfall that local government faces?

I am struggling to zero in on what my follow-up question should be, because so many interesting topics have been raised by the panel. That is a good problem to have.

I will start by examining the issues around inequality that were alluded to by the Fraser of Allander Institute in its submission. Unemployment data that was published today shows that unemployment is down but the number of jobs in the economy is still below pre-pandemic levels, which confirms what was going on before.

With furlough coming to an end, we need to be careful not to put ourselves in a position of false security by thinking that the situation with labour shortages means that there are no problems. In fact, we could have both problems: labour shortages and joblessness. Is that a correct assessment of the real risk? If so, how stubborn a problem could that be? Are there sufficient public policy measures in the programme for government—or possibly in the budget to come—to deal with joblessness and labour shortages in the economy?

I will move on, but I am happy for other witnesses to come back on any of those issues.

I alluded to the idea that we should have a laser focus on growing the number of Scottish taxpayers, but it now strikes me that it is critical to grow the amount of income that each Scottish taxpayer has, because that benefits the Scottish exchequer as well as the individuals themselves, and it should ultimately lead to tackling our productivity issues.

Let us return to Ray Perman’s comments about the levels of spending on enterprise support. We are not spending anything like £600 million any more, which we were spending through Scottish Enterprise alone. We are spending about £530 million, so we are now spending less, despite having created the Scottish National Investment Bank. The question is this. We need to be mission led—we need to have that focus. Should that focus be purely on productivity, which will lead to impacts on earnings? If it is not, what should the mission of the Scottish National Investment Bank and other enterprise agencies be? How do we enhance that laser focus?

With regard to the ring-fenced funding that you are receiving, Gail Macgregor highlighted the commitment to 1,140 hours of free childcare, which we all agree with. Can you give us a bit more detail and clarification on that? Are you saying that the funding that you are getting for that is not sufficient now and will likely not be sufficient in years to come? If so, is the implication that local authorities are having to top up the funding to deliver on the 1,140 hours commitment?

I—and, I am sure, the rest of the committee—would find it helpful to see some data on that. If what you are saying is the case, one would expect the proportion of the total funding for things that are not ring fenced to shrink. We would find any analysis that brings out that sort of detail very useful.

In the interests of time, I will move on. My next question is for Linda Somerville. Before asking it, I remind the committee of my entry in the register of members’ interests, which states that I am a member of the Union of Shop, Distributive and Allied Workers—USDAW.

We are all very much aware that the furlough scheme is coming to an end at the end of this month, but we seem to be seeing some quite contradictory data. We have seen low or reducing levels of unemployment in recent months, but we also know that there are fewer jobs in the economy than there were pre-pandemic. According to the latest set of numbers, more than 100,000 people in Scotland are still on furlough. Does the STUC believe that enough is being done to ensure that there are jobs for people coming off furlough or to address any imbalances in the labour market that we may be about to encounter in the autumn?

Does Joanne Walker have any observations about the way in which taxation operates in Scotland?

Does Joanne Walker have anything to add?

I want to return to some of the points that were made at the beginning of this session. The discussion regarding preventative spend was of particular importance, especially given the real challenges that we have ahead of us. Of course, we are 10 years on from the Christie commission. Although such measures are difficult to implement from year to year, will the panel reflect on whether we have done enough to embed Christie in the way that we devise policy and structure the budget? I think that the key word is “cross-portfolio”, which has been mentioned. Do we devise and implement policy in a sufficiently cross-portfolio way? Should the budget, rather than being structured around silos, be structured around outcomes? I will go to John Dickie first, as he got the grilling on preventative spend at the beginning of the session—at least, I think that it was a grilling, convener.