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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 5 November 2025
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Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Daniel Johnson

Vicki Bibby said that the current vacancy rate is higher than the long-term rate, or your target. What has it been over the past year?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Daniel Johnson

I wonder whether you have a recruitment and retention issue and whether that is the reason for the underspend. I note that your recruitment spend was over budget, but I see that the median salary is only 2 per cent higher in the year just gone than it was in the previous year. Layering all the things that we have alighted on, such as the cost of living and the tight labour market, and given that you have increased salaries by only 2 per cent, do you have an issue with recruitment and retention? Does that ultimately boil down to how much you are paying your people?

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Daniel Johnson

It is an accounting change and not a cash-flow change.

Meeting of the Commission

Audit Scotland Annual Report and Accounts for the year to 31 March 2023 and Auditor’s Report on the Accounts

Meeting date: 28 June 2023

Daniel Johnson

You take my point. I understand that these things all wash through and that sometimes the aggregate position can be different, which can feed into your overall recruitment and retention.

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

Alex Thomas, you were discussing at some length why we should not throw out generalism, but perhaps the question is about how that generalism is acquired. If we look at other organisations, typically someone would be drawn into a particular function when they hit a certain level and, having developed expertise early in their career, they will then start hopping. People come up through a finance function, an engineering function or a sales function, and it is only once they hit their mid to senior career that they start to broaden their skills. Rather than thinking about generalism throughout, is there a need to think about when we seek civil servants to acquire that generalism?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

What about the one that you do sit on?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

I have a final, follow-up question. The points about generalism versus specialism that we discussed interest me. Is there a question about how you bring about generalism? Rather than people starting their career off in that way, do they instead need a grounding and a specialism before they broaden out into a generalism? Is it an issue if the civil service tries to create generalists from the moment that they arrive in the civil service?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

I have one final question. One interesting point is about whether we have consistent understanding of roles throughout the Scottish Government. In my corporate life, we were obsessed with responsible, accountable, consulted and informed—RACI—models, and sometimes there is a blurring of those distinctions.

11:45  

I want to zero in on what is understood as a programme board in the Scottish Government, because a number of different things are going on. Some programme boards look like programme boards as I understand them; they are for integrating different areas of delivery with Government officials. However, other programme boards seem more like consultation boards, because they have a lot of external bodies involved. Both of those functions are important, but they are different. A programme board should be internal and manage risk across projects, but there is external consultation on some of the boards. Is there an issue with the Scottish Government mixing metaphors and having clarity about the different strata of decisions and where integration and external consultation sit?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

Is it a programme board as you would recognise it, though, or is it more of a round-table discussion forum?

Finance and Public Administration Committee

Effective Scottish Government Decision Making

Meeting date: 25 April 2023

Daniel Johnson

Another point that has been made by separate groups of people is that there is a lack of consistency in the approach to policy making and implementation across different portfolios. We should bear in mind that we do not have multiple departments in the Scottish Government, which is essentially a single Government department. We might expect such a lack of consistency in Whitehall but not in the Scottish Government. Would you both agree that therein lines the problem? Without consistent approaches to both policy development and implementation, people will always struggle.