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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 9 September 2025
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Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

That would make it more difficult to appeal a change of RV.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will not ask any more questions, but I should declare an interest as someone who has had to appeal a rateable value decision in the past, so I know how difficult that is. I just want that reflected on the record.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

Terrific. Thank you very much.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

To summarise, there has been engagement, but you have yet to see the outcomes. Is that fair?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

My fellow committee members were giving me grief for asking too many questions previously, so I will put one question to Leon Thompson. To the rest of the panel, I note that one of my takeaways from what Paul Mitchell said is to ask whether we are making it easy. The Government might be talking to you, but does it really understand your members? That is my just my reflection.

Leon, you sit on two really critical groups: on regulatory reform, and on non-domestic rates. First, can you clarify when the regulatory reform group last met? Secondly, our previous panels have asked whether there are clear outcomes, so I would like your reflection on that. Thirdly, on the non-domestic rates group, if it is not discussing the reform of non-domestic rates, what is it discussing, if I may put it like that?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

I will rephrase my question—I just need to remind myself what my train of thought was. Claire Mack, you made a very important point about broad alignment. Sometimes, we view the economy within a portfolio and a silo, but the industry has touch points—in your sector there is the 50GW target and the net zero target for 2050 in the UK, and a different date in Scotland. However, we are still awaiting decisions on projects such as Berwick Bank, which is now at the two-year mark. Do you think that we are taking seriously the alignment that we need, with regard not only to regulations but decision making processes, to meet the objectives and targets that we have set out collectively with industry broadly and your sector in particular?

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 26 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

We need to apologise to both Claire Mack and Jane Wood. We could do entire sessions on house building and the need for renewables.

Tony, I was reflecting on what you were saying. I repeat ad infinitum the McKinsey mantra that, “If you can’t measure, you can’t manage,” so I agree with what you said. One thing strikes me, because it reminds me of what I thought when I was running my business. Jane Wood and Claire Mack run great organisations that are an important part of engagement, but sometimes politicians think that if they have engaged with the trade body, they have engaged with the sector. Does the Government, and politicians in the round, need to think about trying to understand individual businesses more? What would you like to see happen? You obviously do not want to meet a politician every day; you want to run your business—

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

At the beginning, you questioned whether the policies are in place to focus on investment in Scotland. I would be interested if you could follow that up.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

I have some questions on a different topic, but I find the current thread of questioning interesting. The deputy convener summed it up quite well—it sounds as if the Government is starting to get it but is not there yet. Reflecting on what I have heard over the past 10 minutes or so, I think that you have said that engagement has got better and that some decisions that might be actively damaging to business are being avoided. However, that is not the same thing as having policies in place that promote a healthier economy and promote growth and investment—that is to say, policies that are actually for businesses. There is a difference there. We should surely be seeking not just to engage and have a good dialogue with business, but to put in place policies that are directly focused on improving the business context and business investment.

Is that a fair reflection of the conversation? Perhaps you can start, Sara, because your comments in this space have been most germane.

Economy and Fair Work Committee

New Deal for Business

Meeting date: 19 February 2025

Daniel Johnson

To lead into my follow-up question, it strikes me that, while the groups that we are discussing might look at things that are explicitly about business, they—and we—are not asking whether all policy is aligned with our economic policies. Again, we might look at whether the proposals on alcohol advertising were in line with our growth aspirations for the food and drink sector. Another example might be the Berwick Bank decision. We have a very ambitious target on renewables, but we are now approaching the two-year mark for the consenting decisions—which are meant to take a year—for what will be one of the most substantial contributions to meeting that target.

Is there too much of a focus in the regulatory review group on new regulations, rather than on asking whether all our regulation and policy making is aligned with our industrial objectives? Colin, perhaps you can answer first, and I will then open it up to the whole panel.