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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 28 January 2026
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Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

There will be a division.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

I will speak to amendment 27 and the other amendments that I have lodged in the group. As Murdo Fraser has pointed out, amendment 27 is in a similar ball park to his amendment 17. As we discussed at stage 1, the bill does little more than require the compilation of plans in consultation with others. There was a concern that, without any additional steps or amendments, all that was consequent would not be possible and that, to make sure of progress, we needed to look at steps that could be brought in. There was an interesting interaction between the minister and some members of the committee during our stage 1 evidence taking and in the stage 1 debate about the tension that exists between the bill, and the importance of ensuring that community wealth building is approached from the bottom up and does not involve centrally imposed targets.

My amendments seek to set out a framework so that there is at least a consistent methodology in measuring the same or similar things across different community wealth building plans. Those plans could then choose their targets. Essentially, there would be a consistent measurement framework, but local target setting would be maintained nonetheless.

That is the balance that my amendment 27 seeks to strike. If it is—to use Murdo Fraser’s words—“overly prescriptive”, that is purely because I think that it is important that there is a consistent set of measures. I was seeking to specify a set of areas that we would want to be monitored consistently wherever community wealth building approaches are developed.

My other amendments in the group are consequential to amendment 27. Amendment 28 would enable parliamentary scrutiny of those measures to be undertaken, and amendment 29 would require ministers to publish some sort of report. It represents an attempt to consolidate the process and to provide some sort of analysis.

I suspect that the minister might suggest that one year is too short a reporting period. I am pretty relaxed about that. Likewise, I am open to considering what matters should be measured. I would not want my amendments to be dismissed for reasons to do with the length of the reporting period or what should be measured. I think that it would be useful to discuss the general principle of having a broad measurement framework within which the authors of community wealth building plans could set their own targets. That would be followed by a consolidated survey to look at how those community wealth building plans were progressing.

That is the central thrust of my amendments, which is very much in line with the approach that Murdo Fraser is proposing and, more broadly, with some of the discussion that has taken place in the committee and beyond. With that, I will close my comments on my amendments.

I invite the minister to speak to amendment 101 and other amendments in the group.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

The question is, that amendment 25 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Oh, we are not agreed. Apologies. Not only do I need to sort out my diction, but I need to wash out my ears.

There will be a division.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

There will be a division.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 91 disagreed to.

Amendment 129 moved—[Paul Sweeney].

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

Further to that, it is interesting that the minister mentioned the Deputy First Minister’s work on investment and so on, and he rightly mentioned fiduciary duties. Ultimately, the first duty of the trustees will be to ensure that the interests of the scheme members are overseen. However, that does not stop the Scottish Government from, essentially, trying to encourage and present investment opportunities in Scotland, which may well be absolutely the sort of thing that would be in the interest of scheme members, but would also represent the interest of local communities in community wealth building.

Could such a thought be included in future investment summits or in approaches using an investment summit model to encourage the maximum investment of our pension funds in our local communities?

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

The question is, that amendment 62 be agreed to. Are we agreed?

Members: No.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

There will be a division.

Economy and Fair Work Committee [Draft]

Community Wealth Building (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 21 January 2026

Daniel Johnson

The result of the division is: For 2, Against 7, Abstentions 0.

Amendment 63 disagreed to.

Amendment 64 moved—[Richard Leonard].