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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 27 August 2025
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Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

That is helpful. I will stick with you for a second. At stage 1, Social Work Scotland gave us a lot of rich evidence about the impact on children who are involved in the justice system who are causing harm. We asked Social Work Scotland for its view on safety planning for victims, but at that point you had no information from your membership. Are you able to give us your reflections on that now?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

I have a question about movement restriction conditions. First, I want to hear your reflections on the updated costings for the intensive support that accompanies MRCs.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

I realise that we are tight for time. Would you be able to send those international examples to the committee in writing?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

The bill that we are looking at is about children’s rights and, when we talk about victims’ families, those families include children.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

Thank you. That was helpful. Dr Scott, do you want to say anything?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

Thank you. That is helpful.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

Good morning, panel, and thank you for being with us. The committee wants to turn more attention to the impact on victims. We highlighted that in our stage 1 report, and the Scottish Government’s response stated that it was working with partners to explore what more could be done. Hopefully we will hear a bit about that.

First, I have some questions for Kate Wallace from Victim Support Scotland about reporting restrictions. On 5 September, you wrote to the committee on behalf of the mother of a victim of a very serious crime, asking that, as MSPs, we exercise caution when referring to the case and not use the child’s name. For the record, can you tell the committee what the impact is when a victim is mentioned in the press and coverage of the case is repeated? Once we have heard about that, perhaps we can discuss what we can do about it.

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

That would be helpful.

Do any other witnesses have a view on the part of the bill that deals with restrictions on reporting? Should that align with the Victims, Witnesses, and Justice Reform (Scotland) Bill?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

Sure. I am sorry—that was such a stark example that I am a bit speechless.

Let us turn to movement restriction conditions, perhaps carrying on the theme that we have been discussing. I acknowledge your organisations’ responses to our report about the process perhaps not being trauma informed, which looked at physical and psychological harm and our concerns around that. With that in mind, could you talk about what further clarity is required around the test for MRCs?

Education, Children and Young People Committee

Children (Care and Justice) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 25 October 2023

Ruth Maguire

When we took evidence at stage 1, the Children and Young People’s Commissioner Scotland commented on MRCs, as did Who Cares? Scotland. The CYPCS said that

“intensive support has fallen away in many cases”,

and Who Cares? Scotland told us that support was “patchy”.

Bearing in mind what you have just said about the difficulty in quantifying what is required, will the resources that are allocated in the updated document ensure that that is not the case, and that intensive support will be provided to everyone who has an MRC?