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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 March 2026
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

I will ask Jim Watson to come in on that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

There would be limited activity through the scientific programme, so there would be some degree of access, which would allow some of the scientific work to take place.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

The act has a number of objectives that we have to meet: the precautionary objective, the scientific objective and the sustainability objective. We are trying to balance that responsibility with the socioeconomic considerations and the wider impacts that Rhoda Grant touched on.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

We are keen to keep the committee updated on the work, because I appreciate how much interest there is in the order and the broader impacts, given the views that the committee has heard from a wide range of stakeholders. I committed in my opening comments to providing the committee with an annual update on that work, but we will also keep the committee updated on other pieces of work that could impact the work, such as the future catching policy, which we have touched on today. Clearly, if evidence emerged during that three-year period that suggested that we needed to adapt the closed area or make significant changes that would mean that another instrument needed to be brought forward, that is, of course, what we would do.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

We have mechanisms to allow single-handed vessels to take part. Although we cannot get observers on board those vessels, REM will ensure that they can take part, so it is not the case that they cannot take part.

I emphasise the points that I have made previously. I absolutely appreciate the impact that the measures have had on people. The committee has heard directly about the impact, as have my officials and I through the engagement that we have undertaken. We have tried as best we can to gather information about the impacts of the measures through the consultation and impact assessments that we have undertaken, so we are very cognisant of them. We need to balance meeting our legal obligations and considering the wider impacts, especially the social and economic impacts, on our fishermen.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

I think that it would be in everybody’s best interests to do that. We would want to keep the committee updated if there were to be any changes.

As I said, the whole intention of our approach is that it is adaptive. We take the learning as we go—it is not about hitting the pause button for three years. We would inform the committee of that work and keep the committee updated.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

Coby Needle will be able to provide more detail on those specific points in a moment. However, just to be clear, the response that I sent to the committee sets out that it is not quantitative but qualitative evidence that we have. As I outlined in that letter, the scientists at the marine directorate have seen cod and other whitefish in creel catches. Observation work has highlighted that that issue needs to be looked at. Coby will be able to provide more information.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

That is why the science programme is so important. It is about evidencing exactly what is going on, instead of our making assumptions about what might be happening at sea. I do not know whether Jim Watson wants to add to that.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

The approach that we have set out is balanced, precautionary and proportionate. In my letter to the committee, I set out the evidence on which we based the previous orders and that we are still using for this order. Observations made in the intervening period have meant that we are questioning the hypothesis on which we had based previous decisions. The Strathclyde model has emerged in the interim period, but there are significant gaps in that that we need to fill so that we have the complete picture. We have introduced the order in the way that we have, with the accompanying targeted scientific programme, so that we can get the complete picture and adapt the management as necessary over time.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee [Draft]

Subordinate Legislation

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Mairi Gougeon

I re-emphasise what I set out to the committee in my letter and what Coby Needle has outlined about observations made by scientists in the marine directorate that mean that we need to look at creel fishing. It might not be a significant driver, but we need to be able to categorically rule it out if that is the case. We need to examine it and ensure that we are looking at all the different parts of the fleet, so that we get a complete picture of fishing mortality, as well as trying to fill the other evidence gaps.

The important thing to remember about the model is the lack of historical data that is counted as part of it. No data from the past seven years has been used, and there have been closures during that time. We do not have information about creel bycatch.

It is important to work on a precautionary basis and at least maintain the closure. As Jim Watson has outlined, and as I discussed in my opening comments, there will be some limited activity through the closure for scientific purposes. I believe that the approach that we have set out is a proportionate, balanced one to take.