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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 13 September 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Okay. Thank you, Mr Hughes. I would certainly welcome further correspondence to clarify some of the figures. I do not know whether it is just me, convener, but I did not fully follow all of that.

I have a couple more brief questions for the rest of the panel. I want to turn back to carbon credits and to get an understanding of how carbon buyers use them. Are carbon credits being used as part of corporate offsetting strategies or are they being traded or retained as commodities? What standards are being applied to ensure that offsets are being used responsibly—for example, to offset genuinely unavoidable emissions?

I am not sure who would like to go first on that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

You mentioned maintaining jobs and job creation. Can you expand on that and give the committee a bit more insight?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you for that answer, Mr. Hughes. It is important that a parliamentary committee takes reliable information. It sounds as though you are not sure that the number is 200. It could be more or less than that.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Good morning, panel. Are current natural capital finance models, in which the financing metric is generally based on carbon, delivering integrated environmental benefits such as biodiversity or natural management of flood risks? How could that be improved?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I see Naomi Beingessner taking notes, and Lydia Cole has her hand up, so I will come to both of them

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

That is all very helpful. More generally, I am keen to understand how a just transition for rural communities can be ensured. You have talked about more traditional farming. I am thinking about gamekeeping industries—land use change could fundamentally change that profession. How do we get a just transition for rural communities?

This is, again, perhaps not a question for all of you. Perhaps Dr Doble could come in and then perhaps Dr Beingessner. Should a proportion of green land investment profits be shared with communities in the same way as we see community benefit payments arising from wind farm developments? I know that that is not a perfect system—people have their views on that—but can I get your take on that?

I am looking at Naomi, in case she wants to come in.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Is there time? I had put my notes aside, as I thought we were running out of time.

I did have a couple of final questions, if there is time. One is on the Scottish Government’s wish for growth in peatland and woodland carbon markets. We know that NatureScot is piloting approaches with the private sector, and we have heard about the Scottish National Investment Bank investing in commercial forestry, seeking to generate carbon credits. What are your views on the role of the public sector in supporting the growth of natural capital finance? You have given us a flavour of that already. Is it too early to say whether the public are getting value for money? We have heard some concerns about the approach taken with ScotWind. Some people feel that Scotland’s sea bed was sold off too cheaply—that view is out there. Should people be nervous about what is happening with land and about the current approaches?

I see Josh Doble nodding, so I will go to him first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I was going to ask about the Land Reform (Scotland) Bill.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Natural Capital Finance

Meeting date: 26 March 2024

Monica Lennon

I was surprised that I was allowed to ask any questions, given the time. I will move on to my question.

The Land Reform (Scotland) Bill has been introduced only recently. Do you have any initial views or thoughts on the relevance of the bill to our discussion? Will any of the proposals in the bill tackle the issues that have been raised, such as land markets, transparency, community engagement or land use changes? Just say a couple of words, if you could.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Automated Vehicles Bill

Meeting date: 19 March 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you, Mr Wilson. That was helpful. I am encouraged to hear that there has been perhaps not formal consultation but wide engagement. You also mentioned a number of key stakeholders including unions, whose involvement is important.

Given what you have said, I have a wider question. Obviously, there are the provisions in this bill—which is not a Scottish Government bill—but, more generally, concerns have been raised about the impact of automated vehicles on workers. Jim Wilson gave the good example of self-scanning checkouts in supermarkets. I am sure that we have all had our ups and downs with those.

I believe that, in Scotland, there was a trial involving self-driving buses in 2023, and concerns were raised about what such a move might mean for workers not just from a safety perspective but for future workforce planning. Cabinet secretary, could you speak to the issue of workforce planning? We know that there is a shortage of bus drivers, but have you picked up on any other particular issues? On Mr Wilson’s point about the importance of collaboration and discussion with the Department for Transport, are you satisfied that there is good dialogue with the UK Government on these matters?