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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 30 May 2025
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Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Sticking with this part of the bill, we have had questions about lotting and the transfer test. Is there anything that you want to bring to our attention today in relation to international examples or examples of good practice elsewhere of what the regulatory mechanisms could look like? You do not have to answer that, but if you want to add anything, this is the time to do so.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you. The committee has a good relationship with parliamentarians in Iceland. A few of us are just back from a trip there, so we might want to ask some questions of colleagues there.

Josh Doble asked whether Gresham House had come back to the committee with an answer on the number of jobs. I found the letter from April, in which Gresham House came back to the committee in response to my question. I will not read it all out, because it is a public document now, but the letter confirmed that Gresham House has contributed to the creation of around 200 jobs. There is a long-winded explanation on the issue of ownership, but the letter says that Gresham House indirectly owns around 298 hectares of forestry assets in Scotland.

This question is not directly about the bill, but how does that level of job creation compare with what we see with community-owned land or smaller landholdings? Does Josh Doble want to say anything on that?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you. That was helpful.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you, convener, and good morning. We know that land and land use are Scotland’s biggest emitters of greenhouse gases, so do the owners of large landholdings have a responsibility to promote net zero and climate change measures? Should there be obligations on the biggest emitters to reduce their emissions? I put that to all the witnesses, but I will come to Jon Hollingdale first.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I put my question to Jon Hollingdale.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

It is helpful to get that on the record.

I want to focus on biodiversity, for a moment. Does the panel have a view on whether sustaining biodiversity is a sufficient requirement, or should the bill require the land management plan to set out how the land is being used to increase biodiversity? Linda Gillespie is definitely looking away, so I am looking again at Josh Doble.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I will press you a little further on that. Do you have a view on how specific the land management plan should be? I know that we do not want to give a long list of particular problems, but I am thinking about management in respect of deer or rhododendron, for example, which were mentioned in a debate in Parliament last week. Is that the kind of detail that you think would be required for the plans to be effective?

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Thank you for that.

You made a point about language that could be in the bill. I take your point about the phrase “large land holdings”. Do you want to expand on what you mean when you talk about “significant landholdings”? In the committee, we think about the meaning of words and their definitions.

Net Zero, Energy and Transport Committee

Land Reform (Scotland) Bill: Stage 1

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

I see that Linda Gillespie does not wish to comment. That is fine.

I will move on to land management plans. The plans are required to set out how the land is being managed in a way that contributes to achieving net zero, adapting to climate change and increasing or sustaining biodiversity. Is that adequate, or are there other criteria that it might be appropriate to include? Should those be addressed through primary or secondary legislation?

Josh Doble is again maintaining eye contact, so we will go to him.

Meeting of the Parliament [Draft]

Climate Change (Emissions Reduction Targets) (Scotland) Bill: Stage 3

Meeting date: 5 November 2024

Monica Lennon

Scottish Labour will also support amendments 6, 11 and 12. The amendments align with our aims to increase parliamentary oversight, to improve transparency and, as Mark Ruskell mentioned, to get the extra detail that we felt was perhaps going to be lacking otherwise. We will therefore support the amendments.