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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 19 July 2025
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Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Could I pick up on Mr Jobson’s answers? You have existing staff who were employed by Serco on certain terms and conditions of employment, and you have recruited new people to work at the prison who are on different terms and conditions of employment, specifically with fewer hours, more breaks and more annual leave. Presumably, that could be a cause of some conflict if existing long-serving staff see that people that they are working alongside are getting much better leave and break arrangements. How are you managing that operationally? If I am on a shorter working week than somebody else, how do you manage that? Also, how are you managing the potential for conflict between one group of workers and another?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

It would be useful for the committee if you could give us the comparison of the overall cost under the old model and the overall running cost under the new model, so that we can get an understanding about whether a transfer from a PFI-style contract into an in-house arrangement costs more or is about even. It may vary from situation to situation. Mr Rennick also has responsibility for schools, for example, so it may be that these issues are not so acute in other parts of the public sector where PFI transitions are likely to take place.

I also have one other issue to raise with you. For the record, Teresa Medhurst, are you saying that, on 1 December, there will be a big bang and that is when everybody in HMP Kilmarnock will move over to the SPS’ terms and conditions, or is there a period leading up to 1 December in which different cohorts will transfer to the new terms and conditions under the new contract?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay, that is fine.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Unfortunately, Graham Simpson’s intervention means that everyone else now wants to come back in. I am going to make this the very final question. Willie Coffey started it all, so I am going to invite Willie to ask the very last question in this morning’s session.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Mr Rennick, do you want a final word?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Before we finish, Graham Simpson has one other question about the mutual investment model.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 18th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. We have received apologies this morning from Colin Beattie.

The first item on our agenda is for the committee to consider whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we content to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Thank you for that. We will get into a bit more of the detail of that as the morning develops. I invite Willie Coffey to open the questioning.

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

Okay. Mr Reekie, in your broader survey of PFI contracts, are you aware of the quantum of PFI contracts that are coming up over the next few years that have these exit fees?

Public Audit Committee

Expiring Private Finance Initiative Contracts

Meeting date: 6 June 2024

Richard Leonard

I want to revisit a question that was asked earlier. Is it a policy position of the Scottish Government that, on expiry of the PFI contracts, they will all transfer into the public sector?