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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 18 January 2026
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SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I have never bumped into the Standards Commission in a professional capacity, but am I right in thinking that you are located in the Scottish Parliament building?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Or—and I say this in the interests of balance—they might not have approved a wind farm going ahead.

I have no more questions, convener.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a supplementary question. Earlier, you dismissed the idea of COSLA adjudicating over councillors, so how do you feel about the Scottish Parliament adjudicating over MSPs?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

In the past, you have commented on an insufficiency of resources—I think that that came out of an Audit Scotland report. That insufficiency of resources related to the carrying out of statutory functions, which it is important is properly resourced. How have you addressed that? How are you managing the increase in demand on your services?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Is that proposal in the public domain? Can we get a copy of it?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

I am not sure whether you were on the commission at the time but, with Mr Bruce’s predecessor, there was a test of the powers and the relationship between the Standards Commission and the Ethical Standards Commissioner, was there not? There was a bit of a dispute, to put it mildly, between the Standards Commission and the former commissioner. I do not know whether you were there at the time, Ms Vestri, but it would be interesting to get the commission’s perspective on that, on whether that led to any conclusions about the distribution of power between the two and on whether the Standards Commission’s powers are sufficient.

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

Okay. I will move on to a couple of other areas. In your submissions, you have emphasised the importance of collaboration to avoid duplication and overlap. Could you give us some examples of collaboration with other SPCB-supported bodies and say how that has enhanced the effectiveness of the work of the Standards Commission?

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review Committee

SPCB Supported Bodies Landscape Review

Meeting date: 30 January 2025

Richard Leonard

My final question relates to the performance issue. How does the Standards Commission measure and demonstrate its outcomes? Do you have any kind of evaluation process that leads you to identify any improvements that can be made?

Public Audit Committee

“NHS in Scotland 2024: Finance and performance”

Meeting date: 29 January 2025

Richard Leonard

In the speech that the First Minister made on Monday, he said:

“we”

need to

“put in place clear milestones and targets”,

which is music to the ears of the Public Audit Committee and, I am sure, the Auditor General.

The problem is, however, that we have heard that so many times before. Let us look at the areas where the Auditor General identifies that there has been no progress. The annual recovery plan update, and the whole recovery plan, was first instituted in August 2021, and there is a real lack of transparency around that. The Auditor General also notes that the annual updates that we expect on service reform are not there either.

Why, only now—that is, two days ago—is it once again necessary to say that we need a new clear direction and we are going to set out milestones, when the evidence before us appears to show that, even when ambitions are set, progress reports are not made, milestones are not clear and there is no real sense that progress is being made? Why is it going to be any different this time?