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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Agenda item 2, which is the main item on our agenda this morning, is further consideration of the report “Sustainable transport: Reducing car use”, which was produced jointly by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission.
Before we get to that, though, I declare an interest as the convener of the National Union of Rail, Maritime and Transport Workers—RMT—Scottish parliamentary group.
I welcome our witnesses. We are very pleased to be joined by Fiona Hyslop, the Cabinet Secretary for Transport. Alongside the cabinet secretary are Alison Irvine, the chief executive of Transport Scotland; Fiona Brown, the interim director of transport strategy and analysis at Transport Scotland; and Heather Cowan, the head of climate change and just transition for Transport Scotland. We are also very pleased to welcome Councillor Gail Macgregor, who is the leader of Dumfries and Galloway Council and environment and economy spokesperson for the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities. It is in that capacity that she joins us today. Alongside Councillor Macgregor is Robert Nicol, the chief officer for environment and economy at COSLA.
We have a number of questions to put to you but, before we get to those, I invite the cabinet secretary to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
So you disagree with the Auditor General’s conclusion.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
You do not accept the findings; you simply accept the recommendations.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
The report that was published in January this year by the Auditor General for Scotland and the Accounts Commission for Scotland says of the Scottish Government that there has been
“a lack of leadership”,
which has
“resulted in minimal progress against the demanding policy intention.”
I invite Gail Macgregor to tell us whether COSLA accepts the findings and recommendations of the report.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for that answer. You said that you had been in post from 2022 onwards. I do not know whether Mr Nicol was around in 2020—
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
I ask the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some final questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
I do not know whether the cabinet secretary has a train to catch.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
As two committee members still have questions to put to you, we will try to speed things up slightly. I invite Stuart McMillan to put his questions.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Just for the record, I think that there has been only one Secretary of State for Scotland since the election but two Secretaries of State for Transport.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 23 April 2025
Richard Leonard
Do you accept the findings and recommendations of the report that we are considering?