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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 5 May 2021
  6. Current session: 12 May 2021 to 13 May 2025
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Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes—based on the nods and smiles of the cabinet secretary, I will seek to withdraw it.

Amendment 16, by agreement, withdrawn.

Amendment 192 moved—[Alasdair Allan]—and agreed to.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Richard Leonard

The cabinet secretary should read a very good book by the undercover journalist Günter Wallraff, which is called “Lowest of the Low”. It is about how the West German economy treated migrant workers in the 1980s. The treatment that migrant workers in Scotland are undergoing is completely unacceptable, and the accommodation that is provided for them is way below the standard that any of us would accept. If the cabinet secretary is saying to me that imminent legislation will address that, I will, of course, withdraw my amendment. However, it would be helpful to understand from the cabinet secretary what the Government’s timetable is for that alternative legislative proposal that would address a very clear gap in current competence and legislation.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I will press it, convener.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Amendment 13 seeks to amend section 17, which is about the publication of information about support. The purpose of amendment 13 is to widen the scope of reporting, so that what is reported and published is not simply the name of the recipient of support and the amount and purpose of any support provided but

“the beneficial ownership of the recipient of any support provided”.

Beneficial ownership means people who ultimately own or control an asset. The standard definition is that the scope of that covers people with 25 per cent or more shares or direct or indirect voting rights in the property or company.

The purpose of amendment 13 is to promote openness and transparency and to allow us to track the redistribution that we have spoken about in earlier parts of the discussion this morning. It is regarding the application of public funds. Around half a billion pounds of public money is involved, so maximum transparency is required. That is a matter of public interest, so it should be open to public scrutiny. Amendment 13 would also prevent the misuse of corporate structures and improve the prevention of economic crimes such as fraud, money laundering and tax evasion. It is good audit practice.

I also reflect on the fact that, since 2016, people with significant control have had to be registered with Companies House. Since 2022, it has also been necessary to make a declaration regarding overseas entities in the register of overseas entities. Under the regulations on the register of persons holding a controlled interest in land, there is now a requirement for information on that to be lodged with the Registers of Scotland.

There would be only a very limited administrative burden on those who are required to make the disclosure, because the disclosures are already made. Therefore, amendment 13 is an entirely reasonable extension of transparency and openness.

Rural Affairs and Islands Committee

Agriculture and Rural Communities (Scotland) Bill: Stage 2

Meeting date: 15 May 2024

Richard Leonard

The Scottish Agricultural Wages Board sets the minimum rates of pay and other conditions of service for agricultural workers in Scotland. That includes a daily accommodation offset for workers for accommodation other than a house. In 2024, that offset increased by 9 per cent to £9.99 per day, which is directly deducted from workers’ pay. The Scottish Government estimates that there are between 6,000 and 7,000 seasonal workers in Scotland. They invariably have such direct deductions.

All too often, however, we hear reports and see evidence of migrant seasonal workers having been brought over by labour providers on six-month visas under the seasonal worker visa scheme and existing—I use that word rather than “living”—in uninsulated portakabins that are damp and covered in mould and that have security issues. The workers experience safety issues, rodent infestations and a lack of laundry facilities. The unsanitary conditions include broken sanitary facilities such as toilets. Shared facilities are not uncommon; there have been occasions when 30 people have had to share a limited number of them.

All those findings have been reported by the Worker Support Centre Scotland, which says that poor-quality, unsafe and unhygienic accommodation is one of the main problems reported to it. On its other work, in dealing with complaints, grievances and wrongdoings, its 2023 annual report noted that, when it speaks to migrant workers,

“often their home, the caravan, is raised as an issue of acute distress to them.”

One worker reported being accommodated in a caravan without working lighting or hot water. Others reported being given fewer than 32 hours’ work per week, which the Home Office made mandatory for workers on seasonal worker visas. Despite having not been given the mandatory hours, those workers had still been charged in full for accommodation, on top of which they had to pay gas and electricity charges.

Amendment 91 stipulates that seasonal workers should have

“satisfactory facilities for the washing and cleaning of laundry”

and that

“water, heating and power should be included in”

the £9.99 charge and not charged as extra. Its basic premise is that, if the Scottish Agricultural Wages Board is responsible for setting the daily rate for temporary accommodation, it should also ensure that such accommodation

“is fit for human habitation”.

For that reason, my amendment proposes that officers should be appointed to inspect accommodation, review the agreement between tenant and landlord, and provide for a translator to accompany inspectors. The purpose of inspection should be to ensure that accommodation is above the tolerable standard. The tolerable standard currently set out in the Housing (Scotland) Act 1987 does not apply to accommodation for seasonal workers. The Caravan Sites and Control of Development Act 1960, which makes provision for the oversight of caravans, including, for example, adequate sanitary facilities, and provides for local authorities to have a licence and inspection scheme, also exempts seasonal agricultural workers’ accommodation.

My argument for lodging amendment 91 is that the current legal protection is grossly insufficient. The evidence demands a new inspection regime. Under such a regime, following an inspection, a pass should be given when no action is required and a fail should be given

“where there is a serious and immediate threat to health and safety.”

Following a fail, a list of actions and timeframes should be set out.

My amendment is an attempt to remedy a very real problem that exists in the sector.

I move amendment 91.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

I now invite Willie Coffey to see how much satisfaction he can get.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Good morning and welcome, everyone, to the 15th meeting of the Public Audit Committee in 2024. The first item on our agenda is to agree or not to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are we agreed?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

Yes, well, we will probably get to those. I am sure that people will draw their own conclusions from your answers.

Can I take you to the key messages in the briefing that is before us? Key message 3 talks about political leadership and the gap in political leadership. In particular, the Government said in, I think, 2022 that it was going to establish an economic leadership group chaired by the First Minister, but that has yet to meet. Could you explain that for us, please?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There is a possibility there will be no leadership group in the future. In practice, there has not really been one in the past either, has there?

Public Audit Committee

National Strategy for Economic Transformation

Meeting date: 9 May 2024

Richard Leonard

There was a strategy that was launched in 2015.