The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 10th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. This morning, we have received apologies from the deputy convener, Jamie Greene.
Under agenda item 1, do committee members agree to take items 3 and 4 in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you very much indeed. In your opening statement, you touched on the legislative framework, which the briefing also explores. Twenty years after the Education (Additional Support for Learning) (Scotland) Act 2004, we had the United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child (Incorporation) (Scotland) Act 2024, which also has a bearing on the provision of such services. Can you elaborate a bit more on how the legal framework has influenced what has happened over the past two decades?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
The briefing covers the establishment of an ASL project board, which I think brings together the Scottish Government and the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, presumably to address some of the gaps and deficiencies and to pull things together so that there is not just the confederation of local data inputs that Alison Cumming described but something that has a broad framework that allows for consistency and, therefore, a national perspective on where we need to target resources. Stephen, I will bring you in on that point and we might return to it later.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
During this morning, we might have come up with some extra action points for the ASL project board. We will see whether we have much influence over it.
On that note, I thank you all very much for your evidence. It has been very informative on the back of what is a very clear briefing that sets out the challenges that we face, includes some of the historical perspective and then turns to what we need to do now, with some urgency.
Thank you, Auditor General, for the evidence that you have provided. I also thank Yoshiko Gibo and Alison Cumming from Audit Scotland and Ruth MacLeod from the Accounts Commission for their input. It has been a very useful session for us, and we will need to decide what next steps we might want to take in further pursuit of evidence around the points that you raise in the briefing.
11:10 Meeting continued in private until 11:37.Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
That might be an issue for further inquiry.
I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
It was really useful to get that on the record. It also seems to me that you are saying that there is a real issue with transparency, and that is a matter of real importance to us, as the Public Audit Committee. If we cannot trace where the money is going and how effectively it is being applied, it becomes quite difficult to make any informed, evidence-based assessment of what is and is not working.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
I said earlier that Stuart McMillan had some more questions to put to you. Now that we are getting into the last lap, Stuart, I will pass over to you.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
I want to drill into that a little bit. Paragraph 35 states that the Scottish Government has provided £15 million per annum, which is specific funding that is given to all councils for ASL provision. You gave a bit of context to that in your answers to Graham Simpson. However, when I read the briefing, I am looking at graphs that tell me about an 800 per cent rise in demand and your concerns about the outcomes for pupils who require additional support for learning. Against that backdrop, I am reading that £15 million per annum, which is identifiable expenditure for all councils since 2021, represents
“a 15 per cent real-terms decrease.”
Am I reading that correctly?
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
I always make the point in these discussions that children are only eight, 12 or 15 once, so if we do not get it right now, there is no point in coming back in three years and saying that these are our conclusions and recommendations, because it is too late for that cohort of young people.
I invite Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee [Draft]
Meeting date: 19 March 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. We will explore the issues around the gaps in the data more over the course of the morning.
I have a question about SEEMiS, the education management information system that is mentioned in the briefing. It struck me that some of the definitions are quite broad. One pupil in four needs additional support for learning due to
“social, emotional and behavioural difficulties”,
and there is a calculation that around 10 per cent of pupils require ASL for “other” needs, without it being specified what those needs are.
How does having such broad definitions and uncategorised groups in the system affect the ability to target, plan and resource properly to affect the outcomes, which is what we are interested in?