The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.
The Official Report search offers lots of different ways to find the information you’re looking for. The search is used as a professional tool by researchers and third-party organisations. It is also used by members of the public who may have less parliamentary awareness. This means it needs to provide the ability to run complex searches, and the ability to browse reports or perform a simple keyword search.
The web version of the Official Report has three different views:
Depending on the kind of search you want to do, one of these views will be the best option. The default view is to show the report for each meeting of Parliament or a committee. For a simple keyword search, the results will be shown by item of business.
When you choose to search by a particular MSP, the results returned will show each spoken contribution in Parliament or a committee, ordered by date with the most recent contributions first. This will usually return a lot of results, but you can refine your search by keyword, date and/or by meeting (committee or Chamber business).
We’ve chosen to display the entirety of each MSP’s contribution in the search results. This is intended to reduce the number of times that users need to click into an actual report to get the information that they’re looking for, but in some cases it can lead to very short contributions (“Yes.”) or very long ones (Ministerial statements, for example.) We’ll keep this under review and get feedback from users on whether this approach best meets their needs.
There are two types of keyword search:
If you select an MSP’s name from the dropdown menu, and add a phrase in quotation marks to the keyword field, then the search will return only examples of when the MSP said those exact words. You can further refine this search by adding a date range or selecting a particular committee or Meeting of the Parliament.
It’s also possible to run basic Boolean searches. For example:
There are two ways of searching by date.
You can either use the Start date and End date options to run a search across a particular date range. For example, you may know that a particular subject was discussed at some point in the last few weeks and choose a date range to reflect that.
Alternatively, you can use one of the pre-defined date ranges under “Select a time period”. These are:
If you search by an individual session, the list of MSPs and committees will automatically update to show only the MSPs and committees which were current during that session. For example, if you select Session 1 you will be show a list of MSPs and committees from Session 1.
If you add a custom date range which crosses more than one session of Parliament, the lists of MSPs and committees will update to show the information that was current at that time.
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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Colin Beattie has more questions on the management of the finances.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. I note that you have asked the committee six questions. We will endeavour to come up with our answers to your questions at some point. We recognise that, in general, the report is a step forward and we appreciate the opportunity that you have given us to consider it in more detail and come back to you with ideas about where we think there are gaps in it. Local government pension schemes, for example, are not included—that would be a useful area to look at.
I am conscious of the time and I want to move things on. I will do that by way of asking Stuart McMillan to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
I will move things along and invite Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Okay, but the Auditor General told us on 7 November that it
“remains a matter of concern”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 7 November 2024; c 21.]
Again, that is probably putting it mildly.
We are nearly at the end of our time, but the deputy convener has one final question to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
The committee welcomes that advance. Whether it meets the standard of transparency that we are looking for will depend on how much is redacted and how much you are able to share with us. We will see the outcomes in the course of the next few weeks, and I am sure that we will have further conversations with you about that.
I take you back to my initial question. I had an exchange with the First Minister about the transparency review at the Conveners Group in September, in which part of his response was, “Yes, we’re learning lessons from the Covid inquiry and so on.” Some of our concerns in this area stem from the ferries contracts—not only how those contracts were awarded, but the extent to which we were able to get to the bottom of how they were awarded and who was involved. The committee had concerns about whether proper recording of ministerial meetings took place. There were questions about whether special advisers constituted civil servants and where decisions were made. For example, the decisions to award the contract to Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd and those on the two loans worth £45 million did not go to the Cabinet.
We thought that the transparency review would go much broader than the strategic commercial assets division. That is also what I took from what the First Minister said in the exchange that I had with him. Could you clarify that?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you for clearing that up; it is helpful to get that on the record.
The committee identified a particular concern. During the course of the ferries inquiry, we uncovered the fact that Caledonian Maritime Assets Ltd had been directed by the minister or ministers to award the contract to Ferguson Marine Engineering Ltd—as it was at the time—but that there is no public record of that. Therefore, one of the recommendations that this committee made was that, in instances in which there is a shareholder authorisation—that is, where the Government is the sole shareholder and overrides the board of a non-departmental public body—that should be a matter of record, just as a written authority is a matter of record. Mr Irwin has recently issued a second written authority on the construction of vessel 802—the Glen Rosa.
We think that there is an equivalence there. If the fact that a minister has overridden the judgment of a civil servant ought to be a matter of public record, the fact that a minister has overridden a judgement by the board of a non-departmental public body should also be recorded, in line with the rules that are set out in the Scottish public finance manual.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
That is a very helpful answer.
The deputy convener has some other questions to put to you.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 22 January 2025
Richard Leonard
You sat here exactly 12 months ago and said the same thing. Mr Irwin said:
“the appointment of auditors in the UK is a priority for it.” —[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 18 January 2024; c 39.]
If that is a “priority”, I would hate to see something that was not. There is a real issue here, is there not? In this year’s Scottish consolidated accounts section 22 report, £130 million is the estimate of the exposure of public money. There is public interest in the matter. Why is there not more transparency? Why is more pressure not being brought to bear by the Scottish Government?
The select committee of the House of Commons concluded a couple of years ago that Mr Gupta, who is the sole director,
“fails to fulfil the criteria that we believe should be applied to define a fit and proper person for the purposes of receiving any form of Government support.”
Why do you take a different opinion?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 January 2025
Richard Leonard
There are six non-executive directors in the listing in the minutes for 30 May last year.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 16 January 2025
Richard Leonard
Auditor General, would you like to add to that?