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Official Report: search what was said in Parliament

The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 16 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“General practice: Progress since the 2018 General Medical Services contract”

Meeting date: 18 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Stephanie, we are quite short of time. If you agree, we will move on and I will invite Graham Simpson to put questions to the panel.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

In the Parliament, the debates on health typically focus on inputs versus outcomes, with a lot of emphasis on how many people are being employed to carry out work or how many more appointments there will be, and whether the outcomes are changing as a result of that. It seems to me that this issue is about the inputs, because unless you get the inputs right, you will not get the outcomes that you want.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you. I will ask Graham Simpson to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. That is a useful point to conclude proceedings at. There are a number of areas where it might be useful to get a bit more information, if the witnesses are able to supply it.

Thank you very much for your evidence, Auditor General. I also thank Bernie Milligan and Alison Cumming for their input, which has been greatly appreciated.

11:16 Meeting continued in private until 12:20.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Do you take a view on whether it would be better for those two roles to be decoupled?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I move straight on and invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks, Jamie. I invite Colin Beattie to put some questions to you on governance in NHS boards.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

This might be an unfair question, given that you have not attended that session yet. Do you have any sense of what pool those people who aspire to be chairs are drawn from? In other words, are they typically existing members of NHS boards who wish to step up to become chairs of boards or does the net go wider than that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

It is interesting as to whether the approach should be exclusive in that way or more open. One of the broader questions—I will bring Graham Simpson in shortly—that is raised in your report is the extent to which non-executive board members are properly representative. How many users of NHS services are on those boards? You spoke about a population-based approach to the planning of services and so on. How many older people are members of boards, for example?

It is interesting for us to understand whether the people who are coming through the system—through the Commissioner for Ethical Standards’ net and so on—are truly diverse and representative because, as you say, they have an important role to play in not only scrutinising but challenging the executive team running a health board. Do you get a sense of whether boards fulfil the job that is required of them?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 11 June 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 19th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. Under agenda item 1, the committee must decide whether to take agenda items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.