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Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
With that in mind, do you have any oversight of the study that is being established by Forth Valley College to look at the feasibility of the Alloa campus? What are its terms of reference and what is its scope? Who has been hired to carry out that feasibility study? I think that the Scottish Funding Council is involved in that.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
That draws the evidence session to a close; I am sorry that we were a bit pushed for time. I thank the Auditor General, Derek Hoy and Ray Buist very much for the evidence that they have provided. We will need to consider our next steps.
I now move the meeting into private session.
12:24 Meeting continued in private until 12:48.Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.
Under agenda item 1, members of the committee are to consider whether to take agenda items 4 to 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?
Members indicated agreement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Agenda item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report on adult disability payment. I am very pleased to welcome, from the Scottish Government, Miriam Craven, the director general for communities; Stephen Kerr, the director for social security; and Kevin Stevens, the head of strategic and programme finance for social security. I am also very pleased to welcome, from Social Security Scotland, David Wallace, the chief executive, and Helen Fogarty, the head of performance, analysis and strategy.
We have some questions to put to you, but, before we get to those questions, I ask Miriam Craven to make a short opening statement.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
I am sorry, but I am asking about the report that we are discussing this morning. Do you accept the recommendations and findings of this report?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
You mentioned in your opening statement that you are pleased with the key messages in the report.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Other members of the committee will ask questions about performance and the finances of the adult disability payment system.
Last week, we took evidence from Edel Harris, who chaired the independent review of adult disability payment. Do you have any initial reaction to the report that she produced earlier this year?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
I have a final question for now. Exhibit 1 in the Auditor General’s report sets out the eight principles, which I do not need to rehearse at this point. Principle 8 is:
“The Scottish social security system is to be efficient and deliver value for money.”
Do all these principles have equal weighting or is that one a prevailing principle?
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
I invite the deputy convener to put a final set of questions to our witnesses.
Public Audit Committee
Meeting date: 12 November 2025
Richard Leonard
Thank you. My final question is for the director general. Sir Stephen Timms’s review has been mentioned a few times. Are you informally or formally a part of that review?