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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 2 March 2026
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Could you perhaps develop a little bit more—perhaps Mr Naylor can start on this—the theme of how that proliferation of strategies and plans is being produced, as you describe it, in a way that is not necessarily creating an alignment of purpose? How is that impairing the organisation delivering on its objectives?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

I thank our witnesses for what has been a very thorough session. We have covered a lot of ground, and I really appreciate the input that you have given us. It is up to us now to consider what our next steps are and whether some of the organisations that have been mentioned are ones that we might want to call in to take evidence from.

I thank you, Auditor General, and Fiona Mitchell-Knight and Lucy Jones for your evidence. I particularly thank Craig Naylor and John Paterson. It was really useful getting your input this morning. It brought an added dimension to proceedings. That joint reporting approach, Auditor General, was a really innovative and important thing to do.

With that, I move the committee into private session.

11:28

Meeting continued in private until 11:59.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

I suppose that one of the manifestations of having a more coherent approach is you producing a joint report with His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.

Finally, I will touch on another area that is highlighted in the report that we are considering this morning, which is the depth of stakeholder engagement. You comment that there was limited public involvement in the development of the strategy, and that perhaps there could have been greater workforce involvement in the development of the strategy.

I do not know whether you want to kick off on that, Auditor General, and then I will move to Mr Naylor or Mr Paterson.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

The choice of language is quite telling, is it not? It is not just an ambition to be non-racist and non-discriminatory; it is “anti-racist” and “anti-discriminatory”, which suggests that an active piece of work is under way.

I now invite Graham Simpson to put some questions.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much indeed. We now move to our final round of questions, and I invite the deputy convener to put those to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

There is time for a short final question.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Our main agenda item is consideration of the report “Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”, which is a joint report by Audit Scotland and His Majesty’s Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland. We are pleased to welcome witnesses from both HMICS and Audit Scotland.

First, I welcome the Auditor General for Scotland, Stephen Boyle. He is joined by, from his team at Audit Scotland, Fiona Mitchell-Knight, who is an audit director, and Lucy Jones, who is an audit manager. We are also pleased to welcome Craig Naylor, who is HM chief inspector of constabulary in Scotland, and John Paterson, who is the lead inspector at HM Inspectorate of Constabulary in Scotland.

We have questions to put to the witnesses, but, before we turn to those questions, I invite the Auditor General to give a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Auditor General, I do not know whether you want to comment.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will now move us along to another area in which we are interested as a committee, and I invite Joe FitzPatrick to speak to that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Best Value in policing: Joint Best Value audit of policing in Scotland”

Meeting date: 11 February 2026

Richard Leonard

Before I bring in Graham Simpson, I will bring in the deputy convener, who has a supplementary question on equalities, which was touched on in the report that Joe FitzPatrick raised.