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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 12 October 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson might pursue some of those lines of questioning, but over to you, Graham—you ask the questions that you want to ask.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Fiona Bennett might know. I do not know whether you can answer that question, Fiona.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

As we have no further questions, I thank very much for their input Christine McLaughlin and Fiona Bennett, who joined us remotely. I also thank Caroline Lamb for sharing with us her insights and knowledge about these areas on NHS governance. You said that you might come back to us with further detail on a few areas, which we would very much welcome.

I will now follow the earlier agreement that we reached and move the committee into private session.

12:15 Meeting continued in private until 12:36.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Is it not also about diversity and having some kind of blend?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

No, that was a pretty comprehensive starter. That was a really useful introduction. As I said, members of the committee will have more questions in each of those areas.

I want to ask you about the population-based planning approach. In the report, the Auditor General concludes:

“Scottish Government have yet to confirm how this population-based planning will operate.”

Where are we, then, with how that way of planning health services is being developed? What stage are you at with that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

To summarise your answer to that question, you still have yet to confirm how this will operate.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

How many people?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report “NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”. I am very pleased to welcome our witnesses: Ian Bruce, the Ethical Standards Commissioner, and Melanie Stronach, the public appointments manager in the office of the Commissioner for Ethical Standards in Public Life in Scotland.

I understand that Mr Bruce does not have an opening statement and would like us to go straight to questions. Is that correct?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Are you a kind of gatekeeper for who gets through the sieving process and who is in the pool of people who can be sought to serve as board members of public bodies?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

In relation to the system, if the sponsorship team or the director general in a civil service department is in charge of the public appointments process, and if one of the roles of the appointees is to challenge the sponsor division as well as the public body that they are appointed to, is there a danger that individuals who might be more challenging will not get through the process because the civil servants involved in that process will not want that?