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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 27 November 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I am sorry, but I am asking about the report that we are discussing this morning. Do you accept the recommendations and findings of this report?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

You mentioned in your opening statement that you are pleased with the key messages in the report.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Does the Scottish Funding Council need more powers and greater sanctions to stop colleges getting themselves into financial difficulties? Would that work?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

The job evaluation of non-teaching staff came up earlier, as it has come up almost every year when we have had similar evidence sessions or looked at particular colleges, because it is a long-standing and outstanding piece of unfinished business. You mentioned money transferring to colleges and then transferring back to the Scottish Government. My understanding is that the Scottish Government has underwritten the outcomes of the job evaluation. Is that your understanding, too?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 30th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee.

Under agenda item 1, members of the committee are to consider whether to take agenda items 4 to 8 in private. Do members agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Agenda item 2 is further consideration of the Auditor General for Scotland’s report on adult disability payment. I am very pleased to welcome, from the Scottish Government, Miriam Craven, the director general for communities; Stephen Kerr, the director for social security; and Kevin Stevens, the head of strategic and programme finance for social security. I am also very pleased to welcome, from Social Security Scotland, David Wallace, the chief executive, and Helen Fogarty, the head of performance, analysis and strategy.

We have some questions to put to you, but, before we get to those questions, I ask Miriam Craven to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

With that in mind, do you have any oversight of the study that is being established by Forth Valley College to look at the feasibility of the Alloa campus? What are its terms of reference and what is its scope? Who has been hired to carry out that feasibility study? I think that the Scottish Funding Council is involved in that.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

Before I put my questions, I refer members to my voluntary register of trade union interests.

The accounts of the City of Glasgow College, which has cropped up a couple of times, show that it is carrying cash reserves of £12.3 million, which is up from £10.5 million in the previous financial year. Why is there such a high proportion of cash reserves held by a college in the midst of this financial crisis?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Scotland’s colleges 2025”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

That draws the evidence session to a close; I am sorry that we were a bit pushed for time. I thank the Auditor General, Derek Hoy and Ray Buist very much for the evidence that they have provided. We will need to consider our next steps.

I now move the meeting into private session.

12:24 Meeting continued in private until 12:48.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 12 November 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a final question for now. Exhibit 1 in the Auditor General’s report sets out the eight principles, which I do not need to rehearse at this point. Principle 8 is:

“The Scottish social security system is to be efficient and deliver value for money.”

Do all these principles have equal weighting or is that one a prevailing principle?