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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 October 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

If you could give us that by way of follow-up, that would be useful to us.

The other area that I wanted to touch on before I bring in other members of the committee was—you spoke about it in your opening remarks and then in answering my first question—the NHS Scotland executive group. You will be aware that, when we took evidence on 11 June, Alison Cumming from Audit Scotland said:

“our objective assessment is that it can be difficult to make decisions when large numbers of people are around the table”.—[Official Report, Public Audit Committee, 11 June 2025; c 11]

How do you respond to that?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

But is it a decision-making body?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

We may probe into that a little bit more as we go along in the session. I will invite Keith Brown to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Life is full of surprises, Keith.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Good morning. I welcome everyone to the 25th meeting in 2025 of the Public Audit Committee. We have received apologies from Joe FitzPatrick, and I welcome Keith Brown, who is substituting for him.

Item 1 on the committee’s agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3 and 4 in private. Do we agree to take those items in private?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Yes. Ms Stronach, I presume that your job role involves oversight of public appointments, which is what we will be discussing.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Good. Mr Bruce, could you provide us with a bit more detail about your role in regulating public appointments?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I have a final question before we get into some of the more detailed points about how the system works in the national health service. NHS governance arrangements were subject to the spotlight of the Auditor General’s report. Indeed, we will speak to the chief executive of the NHS later this morning. Do you have any plans to use your powers of audit and review to look at how things are working in the national health service in Scotland?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Before I move on to Graham Simpson, I have a follow-up to Jamie Greene’s line of questioning. Are there any examples of board chairs applying for reappointment for a second term and being refused?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Was that after having gone through the process, or were they informally told that they would not be successful if they applied for a second term?