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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 29 January 2026
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Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

I am looking at exhibit 2, which is an illustration of significant areas of risk for colleges. One thing that is not mentioned in exhibit 2, which a couple of people who work in the sector have mentioned to me, is European social fund money. As I understand it, there are some potential risks to do with the application of European social fund money, which might go back as far as the funding period 2011 to 2014, which I do not think has yet been signed off or audited by the European Commission. It has certainly been pointed out to me that that is a potential risk that is not stated in the report. Do you have a view on that?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Out of how many?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. Part of the committee’s considerations of the next steps will be whether we will seek further evidence from organisations, including the Scottish Funding Council.

My final question very much ties in with the final conclusions of the report. You reminded us that the Scottish Government’s three missions are equality, opportunity and community. In paragraph 28, you concluded:

“A significant reduction in a college’s range of courses, student capacity, or its closure altogether could have an unequal impact on students from more deprived areas”.

Could you elaborate on that point a little bit for us?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Given the rate of increase of the number of colleges that are going into deficit, if that trend was to continue next year, every college would be in deficit, would it not?

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

We probably need the current position.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Okay. You cannot be held responsible for when the Scottish Funding Council publishes its report. We understand that.

I invite Willie Coffey to ask some questions. Sharon Dowey may drop in and out of this section as well.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

It has not developed that picture as part of its scenario in its submissions to the Funding Council, for example.

Public Audit Committee

“Scotland’s colleges 2023”

Meeting date: 26 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Thank you. We are drawing towards the close of this session, but the deputy convener, Sharon Dowey, has a number of questions to put. Sharon—over to you.

Public Audit Committee

Decision on Taking Business in Private

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Richard Leonard

Good morning, and welcome, everyone, to the 25th meeting in 2023 of the Public Audit Committee. The first item on the agenda is a decision on whether to take items 3, 4 and 5 in private. Are members of the committee content to do that?

Members indicated agreement.

Public Audit Committee

Section 23 Report: “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”

Meeting date: 5 October 2023

Richard Leonard

The committee’s main agenda item is item 2, which is a session on the Auditor General for Scotland and Accounts Commission section 23 report “Early Learning and Childcare: Progress on delivery of the 1,140 hours expansion”. I am pleased that we are joined by four representatives today. We are joined, from the Scottish Government, by Neil Rennick, director general for education and justice, and Eleanor Passmore, deputy director for early learning and childcare, and, from the Convention of Scottish Local Authorities, by Matthew Sweeney, policy manager for children and young people, and Joanna Anderson, policy manager for local government and finance.

Before we ask questions of the Scottish Government team and the representatives from COSLA, I ask Mr Rennick to give an opening statement.