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The Official Report is a written record of public meetings of the Parliament and committees.  

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Dates of parliamentary sessions
  1. Session 1: 12 May 1999 to 31 March 2003
  2. Session 2: 7 May 2003 to 2 April 2007
  3. Session 3: 9 May 2007 to 22 March 2011
  4. Session 4: 11 May 2011 to 23 March 2016
  5. Session 5: 12 May 2016 to 4 May 2021
  6. Current session: 13 May 2021 to 11 October 2025
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Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Graham Simpson is next on the list, but Joe FitzPatrick has some questions in this area, so I will ask him to come in first.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Erin, I think you said that the transfer has now been completed, so 347,000 people have transferred across. Over and above that, some people have now applied to Social Security Scotland directly for the adult disability payment, so the total number is around 500,000.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

Thank you very much. I will move us on by inviting Colin Beattie to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“Adult Disability Payment”

Meeting date: 1 October 2025

Richard Leonard

We may, in turn, decide to ask the Government that ourselves at some point in the future.

Thank you for the evidence that you have given us this morning on what is an important report. I can particularly relate to Joe FitzPatrick’s encapsulation of it as being a useful exercise in examining how the implementation of the transition has worked. Is there a broader debate that needs to happen? If so, that would probably take us into policy areas as we consider the preventative interventions that could be made—and that takes us back to our old friend, the Christie commission.

On that note, I will draw the public part of this morning’s committee meeting to a close. Before doing so, however, I thank Richard Robinson, Erin McGinley and the Auditor General, Stephen Boyle, for the evidence that they have given us this morning.

10:59 Meeting continued in private until 11:18.  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I invite the deputy convener, Jamie Greene, to put some questions to you.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Thanks very much, indeed. I am conscious that we have run slightly over time, but it has been a really useful session for us.

Once again, I take the opportunity to thank you, Ian Bruce and Melanie Stronach, for your evidence this morning. It has been a very useful illumination of some of the points that were drawn out in the Auditor General’s spotlight report.

There are a number of areas that you promised to follow up. As you said, Mr Bruce, giving evidence to a parliamentary committee is a point of reflection for you. You might share some things with us in a material fashion and you might share other things with us in a more spiritual fashion in the future.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

I suspend the meeting to allow for a changeover of witnesses.

10:55 Meeting suspended.  

11:00 On resuming—  

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

That is fine. Thank you very much indeed. We will direct questions to you, director general, and you can decide to bring in Christine McLaughlin and Fiona Bennett as appropriate. Before we get to our questions, I invite you to make a short opening statement.

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

Five are exclusively targeted at the Scottish Government, and three are targeted at the Scottish Government, along with NHS boards, territorial and otherwise.

Will you tell us a little bit about the progress that you have made? The report came out in May; we are now five months on. We will go into some detail on the recommendations, but will you give us an overall picture of where you have made progress and how you have been able to implement each of the eight recommendations?

Public Audit Committee [Draft]

“NHS in Scotland: Spotlight on governance”

Meeting date: 24 September 2025

Richard Leonard

We will have questions about some of that.